Prabhupāda: Not same power, but it has got a little independence.
Guest (1): It will exists on us.
Prabhupāda: Yes, independence. By misusing the independence, he can . . . just like a child, a small child, and his father. The father gives the little child little independence. But the child is not as powerful as the father. But still, the father, out of affection, he gives little independence to the child. Even to the dog, a master gives a little independence to the dog. That is affection.
Indian man (3): But if you say this affection . . . the child is doing something wrong, say, for example, he has taken a knife to do, and . . . that he kills somebody . . .
Prabhupāda: Father says: "Don't do it. But if you do it, do it at your risk."
Indian man (3): But if Kṛṣṇa is guiding us, you see, therefore he is . . .
Prabhupāda: But you don't accept Kṛṣṇa's guidance. That is the difficulty. Just like you are taking the guidance of Americans. (laughter) You are elderly man, educated man, you prefer to take guidance from the Americans, not from Kṛṣṇa. So what can be done? That is Kṛṣṇa's ill luck and your misfortune. What can be done? All right.