Prabhupāda: This boy is crazy, Upendra. He was having turban like Bhajan, that Sikh man.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yogi Bhajan.
Prabhupāda: He becomes influenced by others very easily. Does not stick. Now there is no information of the wife and children.
Satsvarūpa: They're in Hawaii?
Prabhupāda: Last time saw in Vṛndāvana.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She was very good girl, his wife.
Prabhupāda: Very good girl.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She joined in Los Angeles.
Prabhupāda: Now he is without wife, children, such irresponsible. That is also one of the complaint. That complaint is regular in your country. Nobody takes care of wife and children.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Oh, one of the big complaints is about sex life, no sex life, except for children. Oh, they don't like that. That is very much complained on their part. "Why you are forbidding sex life?"
Prabhupāda: I'm not forbidding. Kṛṣṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Well, in our Bible it doesn't say that."
Prabhupāda: "Your Bible, you take, but we have got our Kṛṣṇa. Dharmāviruddha-kāma. Then why you are taking contraceptive, rascal? You're killing your children. That is very good? Unrestricted sex, and when she is pregnant you kill. Are you human being or rākṣasa, demon?" Challenge them like this.
Hari-śauri: I saw a Chicago newspaper. I think Jayapatākā's mother must have brought it. And there was a page, and there was two big columns advertising abortion, so many different places you could go . . .
Prabhupāda: Everyone knows.
Hari-śauri: . . . for quick and easy abortions.
Prabhupāda: Abortion, child-killing. They are civilized?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, they're becoming very quickly rākṣasas.
Prabhupāda: And eating fetus. So you are rākṣasas, less then rākṣasas. And they're criticizing us.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's really a question of the demons and the devotees, Prabhupāda, this whole issue. It's polarizing both sides. It's nothing else but that. We are not doing anything wrong. Our devotees should not compromise.
Prabhupāda: No, there is no question of.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We're up against demons. We should not think that these people will become satisfied. They're demons.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not going to be satisfied.