Dr. Patel: And, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te (BG 7.14). That should be taught right from the early childhood.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is brahmacārī. Where is that education?
Dr. Patel: These educations are given to the Vaiṣṇavas in their homes. They are Vaiṣṇavas. But then so-called Vaiṣṇavas, these bāṇiyās, they are ruthless. Ruthless, absolutely ruthless . . .
Prabhupāda: Bāṇiyās, kṣatriyas . . . there is no bāṇiyā, kṣatriya . . .
Dr. Patel: No, what I mean to say . . .
Prabhupāda: . . . everyone is śūdra.
Dr. Patel: No, no, really sir, but they are in business. They don't consider that they are this soul; they consider the body comforts and body.
Prabhupāda: That is śūdra. One has to become a brāhmaṇa, jñānam. But they have no knowledge; therefore they are śūdra. Brahmana means jñānam, vijñānam and āstikyam: "Yes, there is God, and He is the original cause of everything." That is brahma-jña. Brahma jñānārthī brāhmaṇa. So where is brāhmaṇa? All śūdras. Kalau śūdra sambhava. Especially in this age of Kali, everyone is śūdra, or less than śūdra. But still Kṛṣṇa gives the opportunity, striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās te'pi yānti parāṁ gatim. How? Māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya (BG 9.32), he may take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Even the śūdras, they are also.
Dr. Patel: Just like essence of the Vedic knowledge has been given in the story form in Bhāgavata. That is how these people could understand them. These . . .
Prabhupāda: It is not story. It is history . . .
Dr. Patel: No, no, some are stories and divya stories.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is history and philosophy. They are not stories. When it is a story, it is mentioned it is like a story. Just like bhāvārthābdhi. Bhāvārthābdhi. That is mentioned there. There are many such statement which is not history, but . . . what is called? Instruction. But they take everything, "It is fabulous."