Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything in this material world, it has got a fixed time. And within that fixed time there are six kinds of changes: first birth, then growth, then to stay, then to produce by-product, then dwindling, then vanish. This is the law of material nature. This flower takes birth, just like a bud, then grows, then stays for two, three days, then it produces a seed, by-product, then dries up gradually, then finish.
You sit down like this.
So this is called ṣaḍ-vikāra, six kinds of changes.
So you cannot stop this by your so-called material science. No. This is avidyā. People are trying to save himself, and sometimes talking foolishly that by scientific knowledge man will be immortal. The Russians say like that. So this is avidyā, ignorance. You cannot stop the process of the material laws.
Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is said, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). The process of material nature, which is composed of three qualities—sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa . . . tri-guṇa. Another meaning of guṇa is rope. Just like you have seen rope, they're twisted in three process. First of all thin rope, then three of them, they are rolled, then again three of them rolled, then again three. It becomes very strong. So these three qualities, sattva-, raja-, tamo-guṇa, they are mixed up.
Again they produce some by-product, again mixed up, again mixed up. In this way eighty-one times they're twisted. So guṇamayī māyā, says binding you more and more. So you cannot get out of this binding of this material world. Binding. So therefore, it is called apavarga. This process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness means nullifying the pavarga process.
Yesterday I was explaining what is this pavarga to Gargamuni. This pavarga means the line of the alphabet pa. You know, those who have studied this devanāgarī, there are devanāgarī alphabets, ka, kha, ga, gha, na, ca, cha, ja, jha, na. In this way five set, one line. Then come the fifth set, comes pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. So this pavarga means pa. First of all pa. Pa means parābhava, defeat. Everyone is trying, struggling very hard to survive, but defeated. This is first pavarga. Pa means parābhava.
And then pha. Pha means phena. Just like horse, when working very hard, you'll find some foams coming out of the mouth, we sometimes also, when we are very tired after working very hard, the tongue becomes dry and some foam comes. So everyone is working very hard for sense gratification, but defeated. The pa, pha and ba. Ba means this bondage. So first pa, second pha, then bondage third, then ba, bha. Bha means bhīti, fearfulness. And then ma. Ma means mṛtyu, or death.
So this Kṛṣṇa conscious process is apavarga. Apa. A means none. Pavarga, these are the symptoms of this material world. And when you add this word a, apavarga, that means it is nullified. So . . .
You can sit down.
This apavarga-vartmani. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the path of apavarga, nullifying these pavargas.
- satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido
- bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ
- taj-joṣaṇād āśv apavarga-vartmani
- śraddhā (ratir) bhaktir anukramiṣyati
- (SB 3.25.25)
Satāṁ prasaṅgān. This discussion, this is called satāṁ prasaṅgān, discussion. Just like there are many conferences, assembly, they have got different types of talks. Just like we were discussing last week, śrotavyādīni rājendra . . . apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām (SB 2.1.2). Discussion. Those who are blind for self-realization, they do not take care, they have got many things to discuss. But so far Kṛṣṇa conscious people are concerned, their subject matter of discussion is one: apavarga-vartmani, the path of disintegration.
So how it is happen? Satāṁ prasaṅgān. When you form this society, Kṛṣṇa conscious society, and you discuss about this apavarga from the authoritative literature, just we are doing, then it becomes relishable. You cannot discuss all these thing with a storekeeper. That will be not relishable. Satāṁ prasaṅgān: amongst the devotees. If you take this Īśopaniṣad and you ask one butcher or a man like that, "Come on. We shall discuss," he'll throw away. The other day we were coming on this Venice Boulevard. Gargamuni gave one card to a boy. You remember? (laughs) He immediately threw away. They have no taste.
So you cannot discuss all this transcendental knowledge with these demons. Satāṁ prasaṅgān. Therefore you have to discuss . . . therefore we are opening so many centers, that people may take advantage of this Society. Because anywhere else, he'll not have the opportunity. His life is being spoiled. The modern civilization is like that. It is a killing civilization, ātma-hā. Ātma-hano janāḥ. All these people are killing themselves, because they do not know what is life; simply like animal living. The animal does not know what is life, but he is under the laws of nature, evolution, going on. But when you get this human form of life, there is responsibility. You have to chalk out.