Dr. Patel: (laughs) These B.A., M.A., are māyā degrees.
Prabhupāda: This preaching is done by Śyāmasundara's little daughter, five years, six years. She goes to a gentleman, "Do you know Kṛṣṇa?" So he says, "No, I do not know." "The Supreme Personality of Godhead." Just see. This is preaching. A child can do this preaching work. She has learned from us, and she is convinced that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and she goes to anyone, "Do you know who is Kṛṣṇa?" He says, "No, I do not know." "The Supreme Personality." This is preaching. Then he is a good preacher. That's all. The rascal does not know Kṛṣṇa. He gets at least some information, "Here is Kṛṣṇa." And on this basis our Dr. Svarūpa Dāmodara, Ph.D . . . you have read that book? It is first class. The scientist, the so-called scientist, unless he is insane, he cannot say that there is no God. He has written so nice, from scientific.
Dr. Patel: But the real scientists are also God conscious.
Prabhupāda: That is all right. He is real scientist.
Dr. Patel: You have been unfortunately against them, but think of Albert Einstein. He was totally God conscious throughout his life.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is all right, but mostly they say, "What is the use of God? Now science, everything science." They say like that.
Dr. Patel: You have been very harsh to the scientists.
Prabhupāda: They are misleading. These rascals are misleading. That is the way.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He was very God conscious when he made the atomic bomb.
Dr. Patel: How many of us are scientists here? He might help you also.
Prabhupāda: We know real scientist because we know the biggest scientist, Kṛṣṇa. Therefore we are scientists. Without Him we don't claim to be scientists—fools, rascals. Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tathā kim (Pañcarātra). He is everything. He doesn't require to. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, then you become scientist, philosopher. And I was never a scientist, so we challenge the scientists, and I have produced this scientist to challenge them. But I was never a scientist. That book is actually revolutionary amongst the scientists. Scientific Basis, you have read that?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have read it.
Prabhupāda: Very nicely he has written, very, very nicely, from all scientific . . . he has challenged the scientists. He has clearly declared, "Darwin is wrong, and scientists, they do not know."
Dr. Patel: Now the modern scientists from Russia, they say, the . . . (indistinct) . . . that there is life on other stars, in other planets.
Prabhupāda: Not only that, they are interested in reading our books. We have received letter. We are sending representative.
Dr. Patel: Their communism is lost now, another ten years.
Prabhupāda: No, communism is lost, not. We do not say that you stop anything, but you make the center Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise it is zero. Zero, if you increase the number of zero, it is always zero. But put Kṛṣṇa or one by the side of zero, it becomes ten, hundred, thousand, lakhs.
Dr. Patel: Millions.
Prabhupāda: So we . . . our propaganda is bring Kṛṣṇa; then your zeros will be valued. Otherwise you are zeros.