Prabhupāda: What is wrong there? "In God We Trust," this party. Yes.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They are making it sound as if it is a political party.
Hari-śauri: They say it's political with God's name.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not saying God at all. They're saying God . . . we're using God as a front.
Prabhupāda: They may say. But we want to put forward a God's party also. Why not? Everyone is godless party. We must push forward a God's party. What is the wrong there?
Hari-śauri: It's not political.
Prabhupāda: Our whole movement is to educate this atheistic godless civilization to God consciousness. That is our movement. So if we set up a party, In God We Trust, what is the wrong there?
Gargamuni: In the same newspaper they print naked women. So we have God conscious party to stop this.
Prabhupāda: To stop illicit sex.
Gargamuni: Yes.
Prabhupāda: We are trying to elevate the demoralized human society to God consciousness.
Pradyumna: Then, "John Erdman, a U.S. citizen who sails under the label of Jayapak Swami and is in charge of the flourishing Māyāpur complex of the Society, recently had discussions with his chums to set up an In God We Trust Party in India also." Then heading: "Bigger Than Defunct British Empire." "In a recent communication with Gargamuni Swami, alias Gregory M. Scharf, who looks after West Bengal, the chief from headquarters says: 'Now we have become more than the British Empire.' "
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This is your quote.
Prabhupāda: And what is British Empire? British Empire could not occupy the whole world. We are occupying the whole world.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: But what they've done is they opened a newsletter which Rāmeśvara Swami sent. And it must have been addressed to Gargamuni Swami. They must have stolen it from the postman by giving him two rupees.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. We are trying to expand our empire, and it is already done all over the world.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.
Pradyumna: " 'Now we've become more than the British Empire. Even the British Empire was not as expansive as we are. They had only a portion of the world, and we have not completed expanding. We must expand more and more, unlimitedly.' "
Prabhupāda: You also explain that British Empire expanded by military strength. And we are expanding by Ratha-yātrā. We are expanding our empire simply by Ratha-yātrā.
Hari-śauri: East meets West.
Pradyumna: Singing, dancing and chanting.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We introduce three chariots in big, big cities, and conquered them.
Hari-śauri: "Rival to Nelson's Column."
Gargamuni: We are marching through the streets not with guns.
Prabhupāda: They admitted, "Rival to Nelson Column" in Guardian even. So who is strong enough? We are stronger than British Empire. Simply by Ratha-yātrā we are conquering. And actually that is being done. What I have got strength? Forty rupees beginning. Simply Hare Kṛṣṇa and Ratha-yātrā, that's all. That's a fact. They can see. They have got eyes.
Pradyumna: "The Indian government has been rather slow in picking up the ISKCON signals. One reason being that the genuine Kṛṣṇa devotees in the administration had been mighty pleased in the beginning with the idea of exporting Kṛṣṇa consciousness to America."
Prabhupāda: Genuine?
Hari-śauri: That means the genuine ones are here in India, and they were pleased with the idea of exporting Kṛṣṇa to America. So that means that the ones in America are not genuine.
Prabhupāda: So "You are not genuine. Therefore we are not appreciating." Genuine they appreciate. "But you are not genuine. Therefore we are criticizing you."
Pradyumna: "As far back as 1971 the Maharashtra government had taken action against the foreign devotees who had chosen to overstay in Bombay and elsewhere."
Gargamuni: That isn't true. Their action was to allow us to build our Bombay center.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that's not true.
Pradyumna: "In mid 1975 the Union Home Ministry took, however, a lenient view and allowed the immigrants to stay for long periods on the specious plea that the mastering of Vaiṣṇava literature, the spiritual diet of the cultists, was not like learning shorthand." Then heading: "Contrary Pulls in Government." "Lately, of course, the center has become wise, though contrary pulls in the thinking process still persist. This was quite evident from the Raj . . ."
Prabhupāda: This article no sane man will take notice of it. No sane man will like. It is not very important article.
Hari-śauri: Trouble is, we're in a land of insane people.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: That's the largest circulating newspaper in India.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. So bring him into court. But what will be your charges?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, slander. It was trying to slander our character, our whole movement.
Gargamuni: Defamation of our religious cult. Because we're recognized by scholars as being bona fide. It says here, "Ungodly face of Kṛṣṇa cult." How is that ungodly?
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is the charge. They are trying to minimize our . . .
Gargamuni: We are godly.
Pradyumna: Defamation.
Gargamuni: There are so many quotes from big scholars.
Hari-śauri: Just at the end this article gets worse.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that very heading is a defamation.
Gargamuni: "We challenge you that you are ungodly. But we are godly because we follow the four principles." This man drinks. It shows a photo of him drinking.
Prabhupāda: "Ungodly face of Kṛṣṇa cult." This is the charge. This very heading is a defamation.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: And also the information that he has put to substantiate that is bogus. And we'll prove point by point how it is bogus.
Prabhupāda: We should charge them "Ungodly." "Ungodly face." This should be charged.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: And also that these charges . . .
Prabhupāda: Others are subordinate. This is the main charge. We are spreading Kṛṣṇa, God, and he's "Ungodly face." Minimizing the value of the movement.
Gargamuni: Defamation of character.
Prabhupāda: So immediately you send letter to Asnani.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I will write him right now.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, I will . . . no more.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Give it to me now. But Girirāja told me there was some . . . he doesn't want to hear anymore.
Hari-śauri: Oh. You don't want to . . . there's only just a last little bit.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: But now they have requoted what was in the paper about what you know already, that thing that came up in the Parliament.
Prabhupāda: So you quote from all these quotations. Ananda Bazar and others. You give quotations. They may make a fresh pages, so when court case is there this should be presented.