Prabhupāda: Helium gas. So helium gas has entered within the balloon, and it is floating. (laughter) So if the helium gas can float, cannot God float? If helium gas has so much power, the God is less than helium gas or He is more than helium gas? So what is the difficulty to understand? God says: "I enter." So similarly, the helium gas enters and it makes possible that it floats. So where is the difficulty to understand? I see in my eyes. So He can become big helium gas. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8): "I am the taste of the water." Water is important. We are drinking water for the taste. That taste is Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, if you explain this law of gravitation which we have discovered is Kṛṣṇa, prove it by your scientific knowledge, that will be your service.
Actually that is the fact. That is the fact. But you have to explain, just like I have given you this example. This is scientific. As you can float a balloon by creating helium gas, so there must be some gas like that; Kṛṣṇa enters into each and every planet or universe and it floats, that's all. They, not only the planets are floating, the universes are also floating. So you accept this theory or not? If not, clearly explain.
Martin: I, I, I cannot reject it.
Prabhupāda: That's . . .
Martin: Because you know more about it than I do.
Prabhupāda: Thank you very much.
Martin: You are obviously a wise man.
Prabhupāda: That should be the attitude. That is the way of understanding. Upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ (BG 4.34). Those who are tattva-darśiḥ, those who have seen the truth, we have to take knowledge from them—that is direction in the Bhagavad-gītā—not from the third-class men. One who has seen, one who has known, you have to take knowledge from him, tattva-darśiḥ.
Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā (BG 4.34). You have to understand by surrendering, by rendering service and by question, three things. You cannot question simply. There must be service and surrender, then question will be nice. And if all of a sudden you come and question, that answer will not be sufficient.
Just I am drinking this water because there is taste. At this time, if you can . . . if you give me some other juice, I'll not like. I'll like to take . . . drink water, because there is peculiar taste that will satisfy my thirst. That thirst-quenching taste is Kṛṣṇa. So immediately you can remember Kṛṣṇa, "Here is Kṛṣṇa." This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8).
There is no need of seeing Kṛṣṇa. You can perceive Kṛṣṇa while drinking water if you have got such power of perception. And the hints are already there in the Bhagavad-gītā. You can argue, "Where is Kṛṣṇa? I do not see Kṛṣṇa. How can I . . ." Kṛṣṇa says: "All right, you try to realize Me in this way. While you drink water, you know that taste is Myself." So you can see or perceive Kṛṣṇa while drinking water. So everyone is drinking water. Who cannot perceive Kṛṣṇa? What is the difficulty? Kṛṣṇa's giving hints, "You worship Me like that." And God, at the present moment, God can be seen eye to eye, but He can be perceived, anubhavānanda. What is that word? Parasya . . .?
Pradyumna: Parasyānubhavātmanaḥ.
Devotee: Parasyānubhavātmanaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Parasyānubhavātmanam. Anubhavātmanaḥ. So at the present moment we can understand God by anubhava: "Here is God." The hint is given God . . . by God that raso 'ham apsu kaunteya, that "I am the taste of water." You cannot create this taste. You can make water, hydrogen-oxygen mixing, but you cannot create the taste so that that water may be taken. Is it possible?
Martin: It is possible to make water, and I rely on you to say that it is not possible to make the taste.
Prabhupāda: That . . . just like from perspiration we are also creating water, but nobody is going to drink that water. Nobody is coming to lick my body, "Here is water." (laughter) That is not possible.
Śyāmasundara: Even if they mix hydrogen and oxygen and get water, still, where does the hydrogen and oxygen come from?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Wherefrom the chemical comes? Such vast seawater, so where you got so much chemical? Then the next question, that "Who supplies the chemicals?"
Martin: I've been there before. They all come down the same . . . they all come to the same place. You said that it is possible to see God eye to eye.
Prabhupāda: Yeah.
Martin: How can this be done?
Prabhupāda: You have to be qualified.
Martin: How can you be qualified?
Prabhupāda: This is the process going on in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. You become devotee, you follow the rules and regulations, the prescribed method, you'll see God. You'll see constantly, twenty-four hours. Santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti, premāñjana cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena (Bs. 5.38). If you have developed such devotion and love for God, then you will see always God.
Just like if you have got a child whom you very much love, you'll see the child always in front of you. Always. It is due to love. So similarly, you have to develop love for Kṛṣṇa and you'll see Him. He can be seen by love, not by your method. He is not under any method, but He is under love. So you have to develop love, and then you'll see.