Prabhupāda: ". . . need of brāhmaṇa, there is no need of yajña," or "Kick aside all these things. Simply make śūdras." Now, how you will be happy? That is not possible. (break) . . . accept that the modern material science has advanced. But what is the result of advancing? There is no food, there is no cloth, there is no shelter. That's all.
Dr. Ghosh: But they have provided you with motorcars and aeroplanes to go across the sea, reach America, France, within a few hours.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That is also credit. That is al . . . because they have done something . . .
Dr. Ghosh: Something to spread this Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: No, yes. That is our mercy, that we take advantage of their creation to bless them. We don't require all these things, but we take the advantage, "Because he has done something, let us take it." Just like we are using the microphone. So we don't require any microphone, but because he has created, that is the proper utilization. Not for sense gratification, cinema song. That is not required.
Dr. Ghosh: Cinema can be used for education.
Prabhupāda: That can be used. Everything can be used. Everything can be used. Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate (Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī). Therefore we are lessoning people that, "Whatever you have done is . . . (indistinct) . . . Utilize for Kṛṣṇa." That is our purpose, not that we enjoy these.
Dr. Ghosh: So for improving our morality.
Prabhupāda: Yes that, "Everything, what you have done, it is all right. Utilize for saṅkīrtana yajña." Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa . . . Rūpa Gosvāmī has recommended that:
- anasaktyasya viṣayān
- yathārham upayuñjataḥ
- nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe
- yukta-vairāgyam ucyate
- (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255)
We have no attachment for these things. Just like in America, I ride on Rolls-Royce car. That does not mean because in India there is no Rolls-Royce car, therefore I shall not walk. We are not attached to all these things. But if it is available, we utilize it for Kṛṣṇa's purpose. That's all. (break) . . . the best use of a bad bargain. When there is a bad bargain, so intelligent man makes the best use, "All right, how it can be used for the best purpose?" That is wanted. (break) Newspapermen, they call me "jet plane parivrājakācārya." (laughter) (break) But our process is for yajña.
Dr. Ghosh: You spread it like . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) We also say that "You take advantage of this, and also produce sufficient food grains so that people may not starve." Parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ. Annād bhavanti bhūtāni (BG 3.14). Unless there is sufficient grain . . . people are giving more stress how to produce machine, but they are not giving any stress how to produce foodstuff. So many land are lying vacant. You go in India, so many lands. Not only in India; in other countries also. In England also we have seen. They are not taking care. Because it is very troublesome to put . . . "Better start a factory and get money easily."
Dr. Ghosh: They are now thinking about it. "Green revolution."
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. (break) So much land is lying vacant. They could utilize for food grains. No. They do not do it. (break) . . . they have been withdrawn from the villages to work in the city, in the factories, and the lands are lying vacant. (break) Mahimā siddhi, to become heavier. Animā, laghimā, mahimā, prāpti siddhi. There are eight kinds of yoga-siddhis. So those who are yoga-siddha . . . Kṛṣṇa is Yogeśvara. He became so heavy.