Prabhupāda: What is the use? What is the use?
Harikeśa: Well, instead of taking airplanes here and there, you could just . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. What is the difference? If by practicing severe yogic means you fly, the birds are also flying. They are flying without aeroplane. Does it mean that it has become very great? There are many birds, garuḍa bird. They can fly from one planet to another. Just like small birds, they fly from one tree to another, take rest again—so they fly from this planet to another, take rest, again another. What is the value of your aeroplane? You cannot go to another planet. There are birds, they catch up elephants and take it away for eating. Does it mean he has become . . . it has become God? There are Siddhaloka planets where the people can go without any aeroplane from one planet to another, Siddhaloka. They have got all yogic siddhi automatically, by birth. Just like we cannot fly, but a small bird, a small fly, from the birth it can fly. There are so many. So similarly, by birth they have got all yogic siddhis. This is called Siddhaloka. There are different varieties of planets, different varieties of perfection. Just like here also, I cannot dive into the water. A small fish can dive. I cannot fly in the sky, but a small sparrow, it can go from here, here, immediately. So does it mean he is very advanced in yogic power because he can fly? You are proposing that. Huh? Nothing is any big achievement. The big achievement is how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is wanted. Not these things. These things . . . you cannot do; I can do. I cannot do; he can do. What is the greatness?
Harikeśa: It seems harder to control the tongue than to fly.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Harikeśa: It seems harder to control the tongue than to fly.
Prabhupāda: Fly?
Harikeśa: It takes more austerity to control one's tongue by chanting and taking prasādam.
Prabhupāda: Even that is not achievement. To control the senses, that is not very great achievement. The great achievement: how we have become a pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa. So that will include everything. You haven't got to prepare gold, but if you want gold, Kṛṣṇa will send you. So why should I try for that and waste my time? Let me become fully Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is required.