Prabhupāda: We are safe. We have taken to Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet shelter. There is no doubt. But . . . just like Prahlāda Mahārāja. He said that, "I am quite happy. I have no problem. But I am thinking of these rascals." Tato vimūḍha-cetasa indriyārtha: "They have made the whole aim of life sense gratification." Indriyārtha. And for that purpose, a few years, they're making huge arrangement, "How we shall become happy?" And next life a dog. It is risky. So as Kṛṣṇa conscious men, we should try to save them. That is the duty. But this civilization as it is going on is very risky. They do not know how nature's law is working, how he's going to be a dog next life. He does not know. Mūḍho nābhijānāti (BG 7.25). To save these mass people from falling down to the repetition of birth and death, that is welfare activity. To save them by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we have to keep this ideal at least, varṇāśrama that, "Here is the position."
Hari-śauri: At this time should we try to introduce it in our centers or not?
Prabhupāda: Always we shall try. Human society will be always there. We have to serve them, para-upakāra. We have to keep them in the right position.
Hari-śauri: I just remember two or three years ago there was a thing . . . a pamphlet came out about introducing the varṇāśrama system in the society, but actually nothing came of it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That time was not right. Now you can do something.
Satsvarūpa: That was the beginning of emphasis on farms, when Prabhupāda said that, when more and more farms started, the idea of the vaiśya. But nothing else happened.
Prabhupāda: Every business is important. Brāhmaṇa business is important, kṣatriya . . . just like the body. Head is important; the arm is important; the belly is important. They must be kept in order. Just like I am in trouble because my belly is not working; digesting power is not good. So in spite of brain, hand and leg, I am diseased. If any part of the society remains diseased, the whole society will suffer. Therefore they must be maintained in correct order. You cannot say, if there is some trouble in the leg, "Neglect the leg. Take care of the brain." Brain will be taxed due to the pain in the leg. This is nature. Therefore everyone should be kept in order. Other things will go on. That is varṇāśrama. They do not know that. Sometimes they are giving stress . . . that communist is giving stress to the śūdra class, and the capitalist are giving to the belly class. And what about the head? What about the arms? And therefore topsy-turvied. Everything is disorder. There are two classes of men now—capitalist and communist. The communist is giving stress, "No. Simply the legs shall be taken care."