Devotee: Sometimes they say it's just a dream, and they say if you are bothering me, and you are just my dream, I don't have to worry about it. I'll have another dream and you'll go away.
Prabhupāda: No, but dream is . . . it may be, but when there is fire, you call it dream, but why do you call fire brigade? When you are diseased, why you go to physician? Dream it. (laughter) (break) The major problem is birth, death and old age and disease. We do not want that. You must seek the measures. That is human life. Whether birth, death, old age, disease can be stopped? If there is any such life that there is no more birth, death, that is human life. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. That is the Vedānta philosophy: "Now the human life is meant for enquiring about these things." If you don't enquire, then you remain animal.
So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to save the human society from this animal life, to bring him to the real human life. Animal life means there is suffering—go on suffering. Human life means there is suffering—how to get . . . how to counteract. That is human life. Suffering . . . so long you have got this body, there must be suffering.
- nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma
- yad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti
- na sādhu manye yata ātmano 'yam
- asann api kleśada āsa dehaḥ
- (SB 5.5.4)
The karmīs . . . Ṛṣabhadeva is warning that nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma: these rascals, being mad after sense gratification, they are doing everything and anything irresponsibly. Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ. Pramattaḥ means mad. Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma: things which you should not have done, but he's doing it. Why? Yad indriya-prītaya: simply for sense gratification. Therefore, He advises, na sādhu ayam: this is not good. So why it is not good? Yata, he has already got a body, material body for which he's suffering, and he's again creating the circumstance by which he'll again get a material body and will suffer.