Prabhupāda: The CIA is maintained by government?
Harikeśa: Oh, yes. That's why everybody is very afraid.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes they think that the government is maintained by the CIA. (laughing)
Harikeśa: The CIA even has laser beam guns where they can shoot somebody with this laser beam gun and they disintegrate completely, like they never existed. They shoot light out of a gun and it just goes tssh—completely finished. (laughs) They're so crazy. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Photo?
Prabhupāda: Gram.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Photogram. Photogram.
Harikeśa: That's out here?
Prabhupāda: We saw one advertisement. So we are remaining these three, four only?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's three of us. We're flying, and then Rūpa and Gokulendra will drive the gray car back to Johannesburg. One devotee will drive to the airport, Vapu.
Harikeśa: I'm almost finished.
Prabhupāda: They are making so many wonderful things, but they cannot stop death.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They just make it quicker.
Prabhupāda: After all, they are going to die. In Bengal it is said the topmost ill-naming . . . what is that? Ill-naming?
Harikeśa: Defamy?
Prabhupāda: Defamy. Gāli. Just like I say, "You rascal fool, you . . ." so many things. I rebuke. What is that?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Defamy.
Prabhupāda: Defamy. So the last defamy is that you die. I say: "You are rascal. You are fool. You are this and that." This is all not so dangerous. But if I say that "You die," that is the last defamy. So in spite of all their clever invention, they are going to die. Then what is the value? That you cannot check. "I have done wonderful things"—that's all right, invention, so many things. That's all right. "But what about my death?" Have you done anything that you can save yourself? You, Mr. Darwin, you have so experience. Millions of millions of years you have got. Why don't you stop your death? You cannot live more than a hundred years, and you are talking of millions of years. What is this nonsense? You stop your death, live for millions of years and see things. So where is that power? Then what is your value? You live for fifty years, sixty years, or utmost hundred years, and you talk of millions of years?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Actually, our theory, even taken as a theory, that the soul is there and enters the body, and when the soul leaves, the body is finished, it's very palatable, very palatable. Very few people argue with it. It's simply that they've been miseducated. Therefore they are cheated. They accept.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the difficulty, that wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals.