Dr. Patel: Na ācāro na satyaṁ te śuddha vidyate.
Prabhupāda: Na ācāraḥ. Personally they also do not do anything, ah? They're addict . . . they addict to drinking, addict to prostitution, and they, by votes, they become leaders. So how people will be happy? Asura-jana. Live by asura-jana. This is the whole chapter of Bhagavad-gītā. They, they are making their plan. What is their plan- making? Idam adya mayā labdham imaṁ prāpsye manoratham (BG 16.13). This is the only plan. "Now I have got this bank balance, and tomorrow further increase, and tomorrow further increase." Increase, increase, increase, his life decreased, and kicked out of this . . . that's all.
Indian man (2): That plan becomes out of date next year.
Prabhupāda: Ah? (laughs) Yes. That, "He's my enemy. He's my friend. I'll kill so many enemies. Now one enemy is still there . . . who is richer than me? Who is wiser than me?" These are the plans of the asura-jana.
Dr. Patel: (Sanskrit) Sadṛśo māyā (BG 16.13-15).
Prabhupāda: Sadṛśo mayā. Yes. "I'll protect my money in this way. I shall keep money in this way so that my sons, grandsons and great-grandsons will enjoy. And I am going to become a cat and dog, doesn't matter. (laughs) My grandson will enjoy." These are the plans. Where this rascal is going, he has no information. He has no information where he is going, but he is making provisions for his great-grandson. He does not know who is coming to be his great-grandson. This is asura program. You ask these asuras that, "If you do not believe in the next life, then why you are working so hard?" They reply, "For the next generation." Next generation. And if you do not believe in the next life, what is the meaning of next generation? They say like that. This is the asuric civilization. Tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān kṣipāmy ajasram (BG 16.19). Yes. So . . .
Dr. Patel: Āsurīm . . .
Prabhupāda: So . . . punar janmani. They'll never be able to understand what is Kṛṣṇa. Bhagavān mate. They'll never be able to understand. And remain in darkness, and transmigrate from one body to another, and this business will go on.
Dr. Patel: But then how will they come up?
Prabhupāda: When they tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā (BG 4.34). When they come to this stage to understand things by surrendering. But they will never surrender. That is their business. Huh?
Indian man (4): But the Lord uses a heavy stick, then they surrender.
Prabhupāda: They are surrendered. They are being kicked by māyā every moment, but because they are fool, they say: "I'm not surrendered." This is . . . in Bengali is called vihaya. Vihaya. No, no . . . shameless. He's being kicked every moment, but he's so shameless that he's declared, "I'm independent. I'm independent."