Dr. Patel: I am your disciple in all respects. I should not put on your . . . these clothes and come and do all the . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. That is not our program. That is not our program. We do not ask anyone to change his cloth. Never. I never ask them to change his cloth or change his position. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's philosophy.
Dr. Patel: That's right. We, we always . . . we always consider a guru in the form of God. God comes to you in the form of a guru.
Prabhupāda: That is . . . that we also accept.
Dr. Patel: And that is the way I was . . . I mean, I love you, treat you as such and worship you.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: And if you think it is any other form, I have no objection, whatever bhāva you may call it. What is the matter?
Prabhupāda: No, I am speaking on the principle of śāstra. Śānta-bhakta, dāsya-bhakta, sākhya-bhakta, vātsalya-bhakta, mādhurya-bhakta.
Dr. Patel: You see, I can . . .
Prabhupāda: It is not that mādhurya-bhakta is greater than the dāsya-bhakta. The example has been given: just like sound. Sound is generated from the ether, sky. You are scientific man. You will understand.
Dr. Patel: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: But that sound is existing in all other five elements . . . four elements.
Dr. Patel: Right.
Prabhupāda: The sound is not only in the ether, but sound is on the air. The sound is in the fire, the sound is also in the water, and sound is also on the land. So the basic principle of śānta-rasa is there.
Dr. Patel: In all of them.
Prabhupāda: All of them. But according to the position, it is more developed.
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You see? In the earth, this sound is very . . . just like you take any earthly object, metal. The sound is very strong there. Is it not?
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Just like water: there is sound. But that sound and metallic sound are different. Sound is there, but the sound of the water and sound of the metal—in the metal the sound is more prominent than in the water.