Prabhupāda: You must know that they are all rascals. That I say: rascals, unbelievers. You have to convert them to be sane man. That is preaching.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: That is preaching. Why do you expect that every man will immediately go and he'll agree with you? Why do you expect like that? That is foolishness.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya!
Prabhupāda: You must know that everybody will disagree with you, and it is your preaching work that you will make him agree with you. That is your preaching work.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya, Prabhupāda! As your example.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We do not expect that everybody will agree. Everybody will disagree. Just like our books. Say four, five years ago, nobody knew these books, so there was no market. But we have created our market. That is preaching. We have created our market. Nobody was dying for want of these books. So that is preaching. Preaching does not mean everyone is ready to accept your theories. You must expect that everybody will not accept it. Now it is your power to convince him, "Yes, you must accept." That is preaching.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: They must know what is God, how to trust Him, why we shall trust God, what is the benefit. These things should be known, properly educated.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: And we have got the science. We are not speaking blindly or, what is called, sentimentally. (japa) (break)
Prajāpati: . . . movement for the church today, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is called the ecumenical movement. Ecumenical movement means all the different divergent groups are trying to get together to understand . . . you know, make a common ground. Now we have the perfect platform . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prajāpati: . . . for giving them that common ground.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is your duty. You do it as theologician. Bring them on the platform. This so-called Church is going on. They're doing all sorts of sinful activities, and it is going on Church and religion. Therefore the importance of Christian religion is diminishing. How they can bluff all the time? (japa) (break)
Hṛdayānanda: When you came to America, for one year no one would help you.
Prabhupāda: Ah?
Hṛdayānanda: When you came to America, you told us in Pittsburgh that for one year no one would help you, you had no place.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya. (Prabhupāda chuckles) The perfect example. (break) Jaya.
Prabhupāda: That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The real help for real friend is my Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām (BG 5.29). He's not only my friend, He's friend of, even of the ant. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Yaśomatīnandana: (indistinct) . . . when Prabhupāda didn't get help from anybody . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: . . . he just got help from Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is the friend of everyone. We don't take His help, that is the difficulty. He says, He's guaranteed that, "If you just surrender to Me, I'll give you all protection." Such a friend who be, there. But they'll not do that. Actually, if one trusts in God, then everything is there, perfectly.
Prajāpati: So if they did trust in God, they would not have all these problems today.
Prabhupāda: No. It is factual. Just like in modern . . . immediate problem is the petrol. Nobody trusts in God. The Arabians, they're thinking that this oil, "Our oil." But actually, his father has not manufactured this oil; it is God's oil. None of them believe in God, either the Arabians or the others. Therefore there is crisis. It is practical. Is the petrol manufactured by man? So why a section of man is claiming, "It is my petrol"? If somebody says: "It is my Pacific Ocean," what is this nonsense? Because they are going on under this nonsense ideas, therefore there is problem.