Akṣayānanda: Everyone is attracted to you, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So you should be such qualified that people will come to consult you, to take your advice, and that is the way. (break) . . . one after another. Just like if you are a qualified lawyer, when one has difficulty he comes, consults you, what to do. If you are a qualified physician, then people will come to consult you. So you be . . . become qualified, ideal; people will come. Otherwise who will care for you? (break) . . . principles. No illicit sex, no gambling, no meat-eating, and chanting. These five things only, if you strictly remain on these principles, see how you are respectable. Immediately you'll be respected. Is it not?
Akṣayānanda: Everyone knows that it should be done.
Akṣayānanda: Everyone knows in their heart that these things are right. Before I came to the movement, when I read the Back to Godhead magazine, they are doing these things. I was not doing them all.
Prabhupāda: No, we are making propaganda in USA. They are attracting attention of the people. Yes. They are saying nice.
Akṣayānanda: Whenever we see those four rules,we know they are . . .
Prabhupāda: These rascals, they cannot give up even smoking, ordinary thing. And they become leader. (japa)
Mahāṁsa: It is not very difficult to give up. If one is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is not difficult to give up these four things.
Mahāṁsa: It is not very difficult to give it up.
Prabhupāda: Not at all. Very easily, in one second. If you have taken shelter of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo . . . (BG 18.66). These are sinful activities. Immediately Kṛṣṇa will help you, "All right." Immediately. Kṛṣṇa said. Is He bluffing? If you sincerely take to Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet, immediately the effect will be you give up all this nonsense. They don't believe in Kṛṣṇa, they don't believe in Kṛṣṇa's word. Neither they will surrender; neither they will give up. So where is the reformation? They want to remain in degradation, and protesting degradation. (japa) This is māyā. This is the . . . called prakṣepātmika śakti, to keep him in degradation, that "You rascal, you have come to enjoy material happiness. So I will keep you in this degradation and you suffer. I shall kick on your face." This is māyā. So what is the result of this protest against degradation?
Akṣayānanda: They get shot. The police come and shoot them.
Prabhupāda: That's all. And tax you and get fat salary. That's all. This is government. They will degrade you and take your money and enjoy themselves. That's all. (break) . . . revolution in India.