Prabhupāda: Mukti is sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam. That is mukti. And Lord Caitanya, when he was instructing Sanatāna Gosvāmī, he began from this point: what is that real constitutional position of the living entity. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was asked by His disciple Sanatāna Gosvāmī that, "Actually what I am?" The exact Bengali verse, he says that grāmya-vyavahāre kahe paṇḍita.
Guest: Ke āmi, kene āmāya.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He . . . the first question was, "What I am? Why I am placed in this miserable condition of life in the material world, suffering three kinds of miserable condition?" Grāmya-vyavahāre kahe paṇḍita. He was prime minister of Nawab Hussain Shah, he was great learned scholar, and in Sanskrit, in Arabic language; a very respectful personality. But he is placing his difficulty to Caitanya Mahāprabhu that, "Ordinarily these people, they speak of me that I am very learned man. But actually I do not know what I am."
That is our position. We are advancing in material civilization, in science, philosophy and so many so-called religious principles. But actually we do not know what we are, what I am. Any scientist, ask him, "What is after death? What happens after death?" I think hardly any scientist will give you clear idea. That is not possible, because their basic principle of understanding education is wrong. Dehātma-buddhiḥ: I am this body.
Everyone is fighting. The Pakistani is fighting with Hindustani. Twenty years ago, there was no Pakistani. But due to this false identification of body, a section has become Pakistan. Similarly, long, long ago there was only Vedic culture. Five thousand years ago there was no other culture except this Vedic culture, Āryan culture. But later on, all these so-called system developed. The Christian religion, the Muhammadan religion or the Buddhist religion, they are all later on. Nobody can give history more than two thousand five hundred years. But Kṛṣṇa consciousness, at least if you take the historical reference of Kurukṣetra battle, it is five thousand years old at least.