Prabhupāda: Everything is explained so nicely in the Bhagavad-gītā. If you take simply, then you become man of knowledge.
Dr. Patel: Nijam ātmānaṁ brāhmaṇa-rūpam(?) But still, even at that time also, we think of body. That is a misfortune.
Prabhupāda: Where?
Dr. Patel: People. I also.
Prabhupāda: No, no. A devotee never thinks "I am body." "The body is mine, or body is given to me. So this body is given by Kṛṣṇa. Let this body be engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service." Then it is all right. Both the prakṛtis, parā-prakṛti and aparā, is Kṛṣṇa's. So even if you say that spiritually you can serve, but this is also Kṛṣṇa's prakṛti. You cannot reject the body and simply take the soul. That is not possible. It is now combination. So the body, karmaṇā manasā vācā. So we are not rejecting this body. Why? This is also Kṛṣṇa's. How can I reject it? Kṛṣṇa's things must be engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service. This is real philosophy. You cannot say, "This is not Kṛṣṇa's." What is not Kṛṣṇa's? Everything is Kṛṣṇa's.
Indian: These Māyāvādīs reject this, that the body is not . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Prāpañcikatayā buddhyā hari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ, mumukṣubhiḥ parityāgo (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.256). The Māyāvādī says the whole material world is false. We do not say that.
Indian (2): We say both are right, parā and aparā, both together.