Prabhupāda: Mām upetya punar janma duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam. So long you have to accept another body, you must suffer. Suffering means this body. That Kṛṣṇa says. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9). Real suffering is here, that you have to take your birth, you have to die, you have to suffer from disease and old age. But your position is na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). Na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit. Your business is not to take birth and die. But why you are suffering? Nobody wants to die; you must die. Nobody wants to become old man; he must become. So you do not know what is suffering and how to mitigate it. And Kṛṣṇa points out, "This is suffering: janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam." This is knowledge. So temporary . . . Suppose if there is any boil, and if you (gesticulates). Is that mitigation of suffering, do you think? "Oh, you are suffering?" The surgeon must come and operate and get out this pus and then suffering. So here Kṛṣṇa recommends, "This is mitigation of suffering. Stop your birth, death, old age and disease." So we do not know what is suffering and how to get out. Therefore we have to consult Kṛṣṇa in every step. Then our life will be . . . This is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You take instruction from Kṛṣṇa and try to abide by it. Your sufferings will go. Otherwise, simply (chuckles) dog barking will not help.
Ram Jethmalani: Anyway, I will be in touch with your Girirāja.
Prabhupāda: You take. We are speaking from the authoritative statements of Bhagavad-gītā. We are not manufacturing anything. That is not our business.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, we just received a letter from Pakistan. I thought you might be interested to hear along with Mr. Jethmalani. It describes some very interesting preaching that went on there. It is just a short paragraph if I could read it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's from your disciple Ātreya Ṛṣi.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. He went there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Śrīla Prabhupāda has a disciple by the name of . . .
Prabhupāda: He is Muhammadan. He was Attanya. (Faramarz Attar) So I have given him the name Ātreya Ṛṣi. There are many like that. In Iran we have got center, Tehran. We have got many Muhammadan disciples there, prosecuting our method. And he is the head there. Just see. Ātreya Ṛṣi. What he has said?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda sent Ātreya Ṛṣi to Pakistan. He writes, "My dear Śrīla Prabhupāda, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to you, who are the only guiding light in the world of darkness. India is that holy land in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Śrī Caitanya appeared and in whose inhabitants He instructed to go all over the world and spread the science of love of Godhead. It is in this way that I realize your emphasizing the activities of ISKCON in India after your very successful endeavoring in the West. Pakistan is a nonseparable part of India, and I appreciate your compassion towards them and your desire to help them."
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "In accordance with your desire I went to Karachi and spent two days there. I first visited the marble factory of Mr. Azis Pir Mohammed. This man belongs to the Ismaili sect of Islam, the followers of Aga Khan. His factory is very small, and he and his three brothers manage it. Their primary business is cutting alabaster into vases, tiles, plates, cups, etc. and they sell their products mainly to foreign countries. I made two visits to their factory and preached extensively to Azis, his brother, his friends and workers. They all liked Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They are intelligent enough to understand, and in due time will be able to follow your instructions seriously. However, they need more association and a devotee to constantly engage them. I did not see fit to ask them for the use of their house as a center yet, but I told them that I would be opening a center in Karachi, and they were happy to hear this. They promised to help in whatever way they could as soon as our men appear on the scene."
Ram Jethmalani: Sir, I will take leave of you, and with your blessings, I hope we shall soon be . . .
Prabhupāda: No, we are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness without any sectarian . . . That is our . . . Unity on spiritual platform. Try to understand.
Ram Jethmalani: I hope we can be of some use sometime to your . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. That position . . . That is required, that you want to cooperate.
Ram Jethmalani: Whatever you order any time.
Prabhupāda: Thank you very much. So we have got some difficulties here, inform him.
Girirāja: Actually, he offered that if there was any difficulties he would help us.
Prabhupāda: So inform him. Prasāda?
Girirāja: Actually, there is supposed to be prasāda coming up right now.
Prabhupāda: So please wait, let the prasāda come. Take.
Girirāja: I will bring it up here.
Ram Jethmalani: We will take it in the car, because it will help us to attend a public meeting in time. I am on a thanksgiving tour of the constituency. We go in the evening to . . .
Indian man: We are taking him to Andheri. There is a meeting. We have kept a huge vote.
Prabhupāda: No, no, how they will take prasādam?
Girirāja: Well, I think if they could wait one or two minutes.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not . . . Kindly wait.
Ram Jethmalani: Yes. But here?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?
Ram Jethmalani: We won't eat in your presence.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.