Prabhupāda: . . . transcend the bodily and mental platform. Then you come to the spiritual platform.
- indriyāni parāṇy āhur
- indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ
- manasas tu parā buddhir
- buddhes tu yaḥ paratas tu saḥ
- (BG 3.42)
You have to come to that platform.
Dr. Patel: Evaṁ buddhvā paraṁ buddhvā . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Saheb, Thakur Saheb, what he says is right. No, but because we are, we are apratijñāna, so we don't understand it quickly. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . Kali-yuga, always chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma . . . and everything will be clear. Last night Brahmānanda was saying that "We are sticking to you because we know we have got something from you." Otherwise, they are all rich man's sons. They are aristocratic family and industry. Why? I am not bribing them. Now this Mr. Ford has come to me. I have not bribed. He is not to be bribed. (break)
Dr. Patel: Up to three o'clock we are taking rest.
Prabhupāda: No.
Dr. Patel: No.
Prabhupāda: Up to four.
Dr. Patel: Four. If I come at four-thirty, you are there.
Prabhupāda: No. At that time, I shall not be able to . . . you can come at five. Because after waking up, I prepare. Then at five I begin. Let us meet. And Kṛṣṇa says, tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). So one has to become dhīra. If one remains adhīra, then he'll never be able to understand the distinction between body and soul.
Dr. Patel: Dhīra means buddhi.
Prabhupāda: Dhīra means sober. Sober, yes. Just like high-court judge. He judges everything very. . .
(break) . . . then he gives his judgment.
Indian man (7): Attention.
Prabhupāda: Full attention. And attention means with good intelligence, (dog barking and growling) not foolishly. (Hindi) That "You are not body. Why you are fighting?" Will they hear? Hey? (Hindi) That "My dear dog, you are not this body. Why you are fighting?" He will never understand. Similarly, if a man does not understand, he is no better than the dog.
Dr. Patel: Śuni caiva śva-pākeṣu paṇḍitaḥ sama-darśinaḥ (BG 5.18).
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore we like everyone. We do not reject anyone. Dog cannot understand the philosophy; therefore we call him and give some prasādam. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: So if we take also prasādam, don't . . . (laughing)
Prabhupāda: Therefore prasāda distribution is one of our program.
Dr. Patel: For?
Prabhupāda: For everyone.