Sister: How can you get back to Godhead...
Prabhupāda: That is stated here. You try to understand Kṛṣṇa and go back to home, back to Godhead.
Sister: Yeah, how can you follow it if you've never been exposed to Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: The book is there.
Sister: Yeah, but people who've never seen the book, never met Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Prabhupāda: So book is available. Why don't you see it?
Sister: Yeah, I can see it, (laughter) but there's a lot of people all over the world who have not.
Prabhupāda: Therefore we are going door to door canvassing, "Take this book."
Mother: You're not doing it, your boys.
Prabhupāda: Our business is to sell this book so that people may take advantage of it.
Mother: And that's the only way.
Prabhupāda: That is our movement. We have got fifty books like that, four hundred pages each. This is one thousand pages. We are giving enough knowledge.
Mother: For people to become interested.
Mother: But nobody off the street would go into the temple, would they?
Prabhupāda: Any way, if he comes in contact with us, he is gainer. We are giving opportunity, canvassing, "Come in contact with us." Just now, before you, one big man came. So I talked about first-class men, and he admitted. So he said at the last moment, "Now let me go and engage myself in fourth-class activities." So everyone is engaged in fourth-class activities, and we are trying to make first-class men. That is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
Mother: You've got a hard job ahead of you, then.
Prabhupāda: Ah, yes, very hard job. But everyone can become first class if he likes.
Mother: If they want to.
Sister: This is similar to many views of psychologists who believe in self-actualization.
Prabhupāda: Belief is different thing and fact is one thing.
Sister: Philosophi..., or, say, hypothesize that you can reach self-actualization.
Prabhupāda: Belief is no good. I believe. You may believe something wrong. That is not... You must know the fact. That is wanted.
Mother: But a person knows if they're doing wrong always.
Prabhupāda: If you are educated in a wrong way, then you will do wrong.
Mother: But I mean a person knows when they're doing wrong. They know when they're doing evil.
Prabhupāda: No, they cannot understand. They are sometimes doing wrong thing as right thing. So many wrong things they are doing. One has to suffer. Nature will not excuse. (Pause)