Brahmānanda: The Dutchmen, they went to New York first. The Dutch, they first went to New York.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dhanañjaya: Peter Stuyvesant.
Guru-kṛpa: The Scandinavian countries are not so poor. Denmark, Sweden...
Prabhupāda: They are industrious, and they have got resources.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And they have developed more recently, I think. They were not colonizing.
Prabhupāda: No, the colonizing propaganda was amongst these three nation. France, English...
Dhanañjaya: Spanish and Portuguese. Spanish also.
Prabhupāda: Ah, that side, is, means Western side.
Guru-kṛpa: Spanish went to South America.
Dhanañjaya: But the British used to say, "The sun never sets in the British empire."
Prabhupāda: Yes, that we knew in our childhood.
Jayādvaita: Now there's no empire for the sun to set on.
Prabhupāda: No. Now they have made it Commonwealth, keeping some scent, flavor of British empire. Commonwealth.
Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda? In those early days of colonization they were trying to sail to India by a quick route to get the spices, and it was the same time that Lord Caitanya's movement began. So is that just a coincidence, that they were trying to go to India at the same time?
Prabhupāda: No. What it has got with Caitanya's movement?
Rāmeśvara: I heard... A devotee once told me that they were actually...
Prabhupāda: Oh, again, "heard it from devotee." (laughter) That is very dangerous. What Caitanya's movement has got with politics? Nothing. They drag Caitanya's movement, that. Many rascals do that. It has nothing to do with politics. It is simply spiritual. Rather, even the Mohammedans, they were very much respectful to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. They never took it as, His, the political movement. Now it has become a fashion to take everything from political point of view. Just like in India, they are suspecting you as CIA. "CIA has come to become Vaiṣṇava." (laughter) (break) That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu says. If anyone remembers Kṛṣṇa by seeing somebody, that somebody is a Vaiṣṇava. He gives impetus to remember Kṛṣṇa. Therefore he is Vaiṣṇava. You stick to your principle, Vaiṣṇava. Then māyā will not touch. (break) Where is Prajāpati? He is not here?