Prabhupāda: Everyone is manufacturing; that is my point. Either Karl Marx or this or that, everyone is manufacturing. Nobody is taking the instruction. And our mission is "Take instruction of Kṛṣṇa." This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We don't manufacture like nonsense. What you'll manufacture? You are imperfect, your senses are imperfect. . .
Dr. Patel: We are manufacturing only for the body, but all these . . .
Prabhupāda: Nothing you can manufacture, even in the body. You are medical practitioner. Hundreds of men you see, different types of body. Is it not? You cannot say that "This is the standard." Kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya sad-asad-yoni-janmasu (BG 13.22). The actual disease is the contamination of the guṇa.
Dr. Patel: Guṇa sanga. But then these are the people who are manufacturing for the guṇas only, and not for the soul. That is what I am hinting at.
Prabhupāda: That is another ignorance. That is another ignorance.
Dr. Patel: These fellows . . . that is what I said, that they are ignorant because they are only doing everything for the guṇas and not for the soul.
Prabhupāda: The soul is guṇatīta. They do not understand, traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna (BG 2.45). Everyone is contaminated by the . . .
Dr. Patel: All the lower . . . all this knowledge is no doubt traigunya. Superior knowledge. But spiritual knowledge is beyond the three guṇas.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). We have to transcend all these guṇas, and that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now they are realizing even in Western countries. They are realizing.
Dr. Patel: But they will realize . . . ye maar khake (. . . after getting beaten up.) They will learn it by getting beaten up with these . . .