Prabhupāda: Oh yes, you are welcome always. Whenever you find time. (Hindi) Janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra (CC Adi 9.41). This is Caitanya. First of all, make your life successful. That successful means yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya (CC Madhya 8.128), to understand Kṛṣṇa thoroughly. Then you become guru. When you understand Kṛṣṇa, then you are janma sārthaka. And then you can speak para-upakāra. Otherwise, it is not possible. Without Kṛṣṇa tattva-jñāna, if we become leader, that will not take... yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya (CC Madhya 8.128). What is that?
Devotee: I got a different vase.
Prabhupāda: This is spoiled. Oh. Another.
Devotee: This is a different.
Indian lady: But through chanting also you get...
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the easiest process. Now the previous (indistinct) was spoiled and it was not clear. So it is spoiled. But now it is clear, it is nice. Not clear means something added.
Indian lady: Adulterated.
Prabhupāda: Something adulteration. Adulterated things are not good. Pure thing, that is good. Why do they not accept? Let us discuss something. Why these people interpret? What is the reason to spoil it?
Indian lady: To gain the leadership?
Prabhupāda: But with that leadership, if you cheat others, does it mean leadership?
Indian lady: Or importance. Or the ego which they, "I have got so many followers. Whether I'm wrong or right, everyone thinks I'm right."
Prabhupāda: So what is the meaning of these followers who are all... What is called? Just like sometimes the... What is called? You take so many lambs, what is that called?
Devotee: Shepherd?
Prabhupāda: Shepherd. Yes. The shepherd has many followers. But does it mean any meaning?
Indian lady: We are the sheep without any understanding we blindly follow. The public I mean.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So that does not mean that that man is very important, the shepherd, because you follow. What is the meaning of...