Indian man (5): Two kṣetrajña means two Gods. Two kṣetrajña . . .
Prabhupāda: Why kṣetrajña two Gods?
Indian man (5): Because jña means God.
Prabhupāda: Then why two Gods?
Indian man (5): Two kṣetrajña.
Prabhupāda: No! Two kṣetrajña does not mean two Gods. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati (BG 18.61). So He is all-pervading. You are not all-pervading.
Indian man (5): Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (5): But by sādhana, by sādhana . . .
Prabhupāda: So even if you say . . . even if you . . .
Indian man (5): I can also pervade. I can also pervade. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Bhāgavata: By sādhana he can become all-pervading himself.
Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. That is foolishness.
Indian man (4): There is no use in argument.
Prabhupāda: That is not possible.
Indian man (5): In this body . . .
Prabhupāda: That is not possible. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ jīva loke sanātana (BG 15.7). Sanātana-jīva-loke jīva āṁśa. Āṁśa cannot be the full. Yes. Āṁśa, part, cannot be equal to the whole.
Indian man (5): Then if we be the parcels of God, then what about prārabdha? We are suffering from pain and pleasure . . .
Prabhupāda: So you are suffering. God is not suffering.
Indian man (5): No. God is not suffering.
Prabhupāda: Then, therefore, difference between you and God. You are suffering god and he's enjoying God.
Indian man (5): We are enjoying the prārabdha, is it not?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (5): Pain and pleasure is part of God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That prārabdha. That is the . . . but God is not . . .
Indian man (5): This is not argument. I have no equal.
Prabhupāda: God is not under the laws of karma.
Indian man (5): Swami . . . I want to know from swami.
Hari-śauri: If you want to know, then listen! If you want to know, listen. Don't speak.
Indian man (5): All are waves and bubbles of the same sea. We are the bubbles and waves of the same sea, same Paraṁbrahman, this ātmā, Himself . . . (quotes Sanskrit) Oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa says ca, this word. Ksetrajñaṁ ca means "I am also kṣetrajña." Therefore He is different from the ordinary kṣetrajña. First of all try to understand this. Ca means "different," "another." And the difference is that sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata: whereas the individual kṣetrajña is within the body. That's all. (break) . . .there is no advaitavāda. There may be advaitavāda philosophy, but in Bhagavad-gītā there is no advaitavāda. It is dvaitavāda. Otherwise why Kṛṣṇa said, sarva-dharmān partiyajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ: "You śaraṇaṁ vraja. You are different from Me"? Kṛṣṇa says. Otherwise why Kṛṣṇa asked that "You surrender"? That you and I—different. That is dvaitavāda.
Indian man (5): Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66), that can I understood, all arguments.
Prabhupāda: No. You can understand anything, but that is not the thing. We have to take it as it is. We are therefore presenting Bhagavad-gītā as . . . God is commanding you, that "You surrender." So you are different from God.
Indian man (5): That means, surrender means I am not a doer. I am not doing anything. God, who is residing within me . . .
Prabhupāda: Surrender . . . who will surrender? Unless you are servant, why shall you surrender? You are servant; God is master. So therefore master and servant different.