Prabhupāda: Gandhi's nonviolence was rascaldom because he was dealing in politics. Buddha never entered in politics. So how you can compare with Buddha? His activities are different. His activities were for salvation, to stop all kinds of miseries of material world. That was his philosophy. He never dealt in politics. Although he was a king's son, he never dealt in politics. You cannot. . . This is foolishness. We do not know. We do not study what is Buddha's position, what is Gandhi's position.
Paramahaṁsa: But still, everyone in India respects Gandhi so much. They have statues and everything.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. He was a good gentleman. He was very humble, meek. Because you have got some fault, that does not mean you have no qualities. That is another thing. But if you deal wrongly with something, then you must be called a foolish man. You may have very good qualities, but if you do not know how to deal with business, then you are foolish. He was mainly engaged in politics, but he did not know how to deal with politics. He was reading Bhagavad-gītā, and he was misleading people that in the Bhagavad-gītā there is nonviolence. Just see. Because Arjuna wanted to become nonviolent the whole Bhagavad-gītā was taught to him, how to become violent, and this rascal said that in the Bhagavad-gītā there is nonviolence. It is not false? So a man preaching falsehood, is he a gentleman? Or he is a right man?
Paramahaṁsa: No.
Prabhupāda: So that is his position. Either he is a foolish rascal or he is not a gentleman, falsely preaching Bhagavad-gītā. That is his position. If you do not know a subject matter, why do you talk about it? Either you mislead or cheat or you are a foolish, you have no science. Similarly, here is a tape recorder. I do not know how the machine is working. If I talk about it authoritatively, is it not my foolishness? I can talk about Bhagavad-gītā or something else, but that does not mean I know everything about this machine. But he did it like this. He was dealing in politics, and he took up as a mahātmā, a religious man. That was his cheating.
Paramahaṁsa: And because people are so much in darkness about religion, therefore they accepted.
Prabhupāda: Yes, everyone is in darkness. If you can make propaganda, the people will be misled. That is not very difficult thing. Just like in Russia, nobody is Communist. But it is going on—"The Russia is Communist country." I have studied thoroughly. Nobody is Communist.
Paramahaṁsa: Just the leaders.
Prabhupāda: Maybe a few only. But it is going on by propaganda that Russia is a Communist country. The people in general, they are forced to accept it. That book was written by some man, terrorism. It is terrorism. That's it. By force. Nobody accepts this Communist philosophy, I have studied.
(out of car) They are very, very unhappy. The young man cannot go out of the country. Just see. Restricted. How much uncomfortable he is feeling. Especially in European countries, the young men, they want to go. But they will not allow. They will not allow anything to read except Lenin's literature. What is this? Simply suppressing. Everyone is unhappy. (aside:) Which way? This way? This is their position. I have seen it directly. And as soon as one is suspected that he is doing otherwise, he will be sent to some unknown camp. Nobody knows where he has gone. Just see.
Paramahaṁsa: Just like they had some people who came to Russia to start some Buddhist thing, and then they were sent away to some camp, concentration camp.
Prabhupāda: Never seen again.
Paramahaṁsa: No one has seen them.
Prabhupāda: Just see. This is their. . . It is the most fallen country. No freedom. No freedom at all. Horrible country.
Gaṇeśa: Why don't the people revolt if they're so unhappy?
Prabhupāda: Yes, they are revolting, but they are now so much suppressed they cannot. . . Sometimes there is revolt. Sometimes there is upheaval.
Amogha: Not a big upheaval, because they are terrorized. They are afraid that if they revolt, then they. . .
Prabhupāda: They will be killed.
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah, the government will come out and just shoot them all.
Prabhupāda: Yes, all the Leninists and Stalinists, they kill. It is a country of tyranny, that's all. The government men, they are simply terrorists, that's all.
Amogha: Just like in Cambodia they just, the new Communist government, they executed tens and thousands of people just recently.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Amogha: People who were working for the old government. They just killed them all. So this what the people are afraid of.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Terrorism. This Communism means terrorism. (aside:) Thank you.