Indian man (2): Even from punar janma, karma . . .?
Prabhupāda: Everything. Finished. As soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, everything is finished. But don't commit again. Stick to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then you are safe.
Indian man (2): Then what was the necessity for the Pāṇḍavas to suffer, when they had themselves surrendered to the Lord Kṛṣṇa, and they have suffered?
Prabhupāda: They have not suffered. They have served Kṛṣṇa's purposes. Kṛṣṇa wanted to kill all the demons. They did it. That's all.
Indian man (2): One more question, Swāmījī. When Lord say that (Sanskrit), that means whatever the sins being committed are going to be committed all by only His will and wish, then why a person should be hated as a cruel person, and to kill him, and why God should take a other and do all these things?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because Kṛṣṇa . . . without Kṛṣṇa's sanction, you cannot do anything. Therefore first of all you desire, and Kṛṣṇa gives you sanction to fulfill your desire. And as you, you fulfill your desire, you become complicated with the reaction of your desire. Yajñārthe karmaṇo 'nyatra karma-bandhanaḥ. If you act for Kṛṣṇa, then you are all right, but if you are acting for your sense gratification, you'll be entangled by the resultant action.
So Kṛṣṇa is so kind that if you want to do something, first of all He says: "No." Just like a thief, he's praying to God: "My dear Lord, give me some opportunity I can steal that thing." Kṛṣṇa first of all says: "No, no. Don't do it." But he insists. Then Kṛṣṇa says: "All right. Do it." But as soon as you do it, you become entangled. Why you are doing against the will of Kṛṣṇa? That is your entanglement. Kṛṣṇa says: "Don't do this." Why you are doing that?
So Kṛṣṇa is giving you facility to steal others' property, but you become entangled. That is not Kṛṣṇa's responsibility. Your responsibility. Suppose a high-court judge gives sanction that, "This man should be condemned to death. He should be hanged." Does it mean the high-court judge is your enemy and hanging you? He has nothing to do to become your enemy or friend. You have committed situation that you should be hanged. He's giving order: "Be hanged." That's all.
So your business is to surrender to Kṛṣṇa and act according to His instruction. Then you'll be happy. Otherwise not.
Indian man (2): Lord Kṛṣṇa says, Swāmījī, karmaṇy evādhikāras te mā phaleṣu kadācana . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Are you doing that? Are you doing that?
Indian man (2): No, I am asking . . . that is the doubt.