Prabhupāda: Yes. Tools and machineries are already there. But why there is scarcity? Now there is no petrol, whole world. You have got the digging . . . drilling machine, tools and machinery, everything. Then why you are in scarcity? Because now Kṛṣṇa is against you. Therefore in spite of the oil underground, in spite of tools and machine, you'll starve. This is nature's progress. You have created such a situation. Now, in spite of having everything . . . just like it is said by Vaiṣṇava kavi, nire kari vas namre kila peyas. Just like you are on the ocean and you are thirsty. You are in the ocean, profuse water, but you cannot touch a drop. Nire kari vas namre kila peyas. Thirsty, you want water, but you are in the water, in the ocean. Now drink it. Similarly, if Kṛṣṇa does not desire, you may have ample things, everything there, but still the key is in the hand of Kṛṣṇa. Unless He opens it, you cannot get it.
(aside) Go on.
Pradyumna: "The ultimate . . . the sanction of the Supreme Lord must be there, otherwise . . ."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now the sanction is not there; therefore there is scarcity. Nature can supply you anything, as we have already described. But if Kṛṣṇa says: "Don't supply," bās (then), finished.
(aside) Then?
Pradyumna: "Otherwise, despite all instrumental arrangements, everything will be unsuccessful. The ultimate cause of success is the daiva, or the Supreme. Kings like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira . . ."
Prabhupāda: Daiva, daiva means godly. So you may have everything complete, but if the daiva sanction is not there . . . just like one may have father and mother. Generally, it is supposed that a child under the protection of father and mother, he will be happy. But that is not the case. If Kṛṣṇa does not sanction, in spite of very rich parent, the child is suffering. Why? Because there is no sanction. Similarly, if one is diseased, he can engage first-class physician and he can use first-class medicine, still he dies. Why he dies? You have got so advanced medicine, advanced physician.
Why the man dies? Because Kṛṣṇa wanted. That's it. Similarly, we have created so many countereffects for all our miserable condition. That is called struggle for existence. But if there is no sanction from Kṛṣṇa, these counteraction will not be useful. You'll have to starve. You'll have to die. All these methods cannot help you. Mayādhyakṣeṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram (BG 9.10). So everything, without Kṛṣṇa's sanction . . . they say: "Not a blade of grass moves without the sanction of God." This is the position.
(aside) Go on.
Pradyumna: "Kings like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira knew perfectly well that the king is the agent of the Supreme Lord to look after the welfare of the mass of people."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is king. King means he is representative of God. Therefore king is addressed as nara-devatā, the god amongst the human beings. Because as agent of God, Kṛṣṇa, his business is to see that the all the citizens, they are happy in their daily necessities of life and they are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the duty of the government. Not that, "You go to hell; give me tax." This is not government. Therefore, the king being pious, how nature was supplying everything, and the citizens were very happy—there was no scarcity—and how they were executing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is true, as people say, that if one is hungry, needy, how he can execute? Therefore it is the duty of the government to see that everyone is happy for the material necessities of life and is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
So that is not being done. Everyone is trying to become happy without Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like in your country I heard in a . . . the Archbishop of Canterbury. There was some meeting. So he said that, "You want kingdom of God without God. That is your philosophy." The modern, so-called politicians, they want to make everything very nicely going on. They have discovered this United Nation so that there may not be any war or any strike or any scarcity. They have medical department, W.H.O. Do you know the W.H.O.? W.H.O. department. W.H.O. means World Health Organization. W means World and H means Health and O means Organization, of the United Nation. So there is W.H.O. organization, but there is no health. (laughter) The W.H.O. organization is there, worldwide, but there is no health. This is there. Because there is no Kṛṣṇa.
So this Archbishop of Canterbury said rightly that, "You want kingdom of God without God." That is the disease. Everything we want. Therefore our propaganda is just the opposite. We want everything with center Kṛṣṇa. Therefore we will have never scarcity. Others will suffer.