Guest (1): She is also doing that japa. And while this mālā, doing mālā, and doing the japa, the mind doesn't remain fixed in God. You know, it wanders about. So what is the way of fixing the mind?
Prabhupāda: To hear. "Hare Kṛṣṇa." Chant and hear.
Guest (1): Speak loudly.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (2) (Indian lady): Speak loudly but still the mind goes away here and there.
Prabhupāda: Then that is called abhyāsa-yoga-yuktena cetasā nānya-gāminā (BG 8.8). That you have to practice. (Hindi: If you are doing with your heart or not, firstly do japa. If you are doing with your heart or . . . (indistinctly). That's why . . .) We have got a saṅkhyā that, "You must perform so many times." It doesn't matter what is . . . then gradually, (Hindi: Do you know disease called . . . (indistinct)? He is given mishri. He says . . . (indistinct). Then while eating mishri, he will say, it is sweet so it does not matter.). This is the only . . .
- harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam
- kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā
- (CC Adi 17.21)
(Hindi: It is being instructed by the sastra.) So we have to follow.And actually it is becoming effective.
Guest (2): I think it takes many births to have the effect. Many births to have the effect.
Prabhupāda: No, you can have immediately, provided you follow the rules and regulation. That's all. Not many births. Immediately. Tat-kṣaṇāt. Śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt, in the Bhāgavata it is said. Īśvaraḥ sadyo hṛdy avarudhyate śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt (SB 1.1.2). The tat-kṣaṇāt means immediately. But one must very eager. That's all. That is the only qualification. Otherwise, Śukadeva Gosvāmī would not . . . Vyāsadeva would not have used this word, tat-kṣaṇāt, "immediately."