Prabhupāda: Yes. No, I was family man. But even one is family man, he's trained up how to become God conscious. So that was the . . . that is, practically every Indian, at least in our time, they were trained up how to become God conscious in the family life. Therefore there is classification—the brāhmaṇa, the kṣatriya, the vaiśya. So these four classes, first-class man, that brāhmaṇa, the brain. Kṣatriya, they used to rule over, taking instruction from the first-class man. And then the third grade, the productive class. (aside:) So you read there the third class.
Scheuerman: So I can see that this is probably a very important element that appeals to most of the young people that come to you is this training that can be received in this particular way. I can also see too that somewhere . . . I'd like to move into this area of religious experience, enlightenment.
Prabhupāda: I shall request that . . . there is no question of Eastern, Western. Now people are intermingling. Now I think that we shall have institution, especially in America, to train these first class, second class, third class, and the balance fourth class. Who cannot take up any training, they are fourth class. So how they should be trained up, that indication is there. It is not the question of Eastern and Western. You become peaceful . . .
Scheuerman: Now, how would you proceed in this training program? I'd be interested in that.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is . . . if I say that to live peacefully, this instruction is neither exclusively for America or Indian. It is for everyone.
Scheuerman: That's universal, peaceful. That's universal.
Prabhupāda: Universal. What is another quality? Peaceful, and then?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Self-control.
Prabhupāda: Self-control. This is also not either for American or . . . "The Americans should not be self-controlled, only Indians should be self-controlled." (laughter) This is not the proposal. Self-control. Then?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Austerity.
Prabhupāda: Austerity. Tapasya. Austerity means that naturally I am inclined to do something . . . take, for example, generally people are addicted or inclined to eat meat or to drink. Natural. Not for all, but a class. But if, if I train him that "Although you like this, you should give up this," that is austerity. He feels some inconvenience in the beginning.
Scheuerman: Austeritas is a Latin word that refers to strength. To be able to stand and be sharp and deciding.
Prabhupāda: So this is austerity, when voluntarily accepting something which he does not like to give up. That is austerity.
Scheuerman: Disciplined.
Prabhupāda: Discipline, yes.
Scheuerman: As well as self-controlled.
Prabhupāda: So in order to go to the highest status of life, he has to accept some austerity, tapasya. Especially for God realization. Austerity required. Then?
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Purity.
Prabhupāda: Purity. So our purity . . . not our—everyone. Externally, internally. Externally, by taking bath or cleansing the body with soap or something else. And internally, to remain God conscious.
Kern: Internally to what?
Prabhupāda: Remain God conscious.