Bhagavān: You must have faith to believe that God wrote the Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: Why faith? God is God. Why faith?
Mr. Chenique: Because, you know, I have been living in . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. You have no experience, you have said. You have no experience.
Mr. Chenique: No, I have not said. You said I did.
Prabhupāda: No, you said that God is beyond your experience. You said.
Mr. Chenique: A real svāmī listen first if he wants to profit.
Prabhupāda: First of all let us consider ourself. You said that God is beyond your experience.
Mr. Chenique: That's right. That is my experience.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. That's all right. That means I am talking with you. Therefore, you have no experience.
Mr. Chenique: Yes, I have.
Prabhupāda: You say God is beyond your experience, you say.
Mr. Chenique: Yeah, and I have that experience that God is beyond experience. Because I found out that all my experience does not mean God.
Prabhupāda: But if you say God is beyond your experience, that you have no experience of God. This is clear meaning. Why do you go round about?
Mr. Chenique: No, you don't . . . you see . . .
Prabhupāda: Then it is a bit difficult.
Mr. Chenique: I have always told that the duty of the svāmī is to listen and to understand, and you don't seem to listen and to understand. You misunderstand.
Prabhupāda: No, no, you said . . . first of all let us . . . why misunderstand? You say that you have no experience of God.
Mr. Chenique: No, I never said that.
Prabhupāda: Then tell me your experience. That I want to know.
Mr. Chenique: That every time I had an experience of God, and first I went through the bhakta, and I was a bhakta for a long, long time, then I found out that God was beyond my experience.
Prabhupāda: That means you have no experience. How can I talk with you?
Mr. Chenique: That the image of God, as do you call it Kṛṣṇa or Rāma or Nṛsiṁha or any of the avatāra . . . and you know, near our place in Poona in Amenagar, there was a svāmī who called himself an avatāra, and . . .
Prabhupāda: That anyone can say. I can say third avatāra, he can say fourth avatāra.