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If you disobey the orders of Lord Christ, how you become a Christian, first of all? Where is your Christianity? Simply by rubber-stamping "I'm Christian" you become a Christian, without following the tenets

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"if you disobey the orders of Lord Christ, how you become a Christian, first of all? Where is your Christianity? Simply by rubber-stamping "I'm Christian" you become a Christian, without following the tenets"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1973 Conversations and Morning Walks

Prabhupāda: So we are rather unhappy that in London I've seen thousands of churches practically closed. Nobody is going there. We are not happy to see this is happening. But why people are abstaining from going to the church, although there is Pope, and so many priests and other things? Why? Satish Kumar: It has become an institution, and there is no more religious . . . Prabhupāda: Life. Satish Kumar: . . . experience in life. Prabhupāda: There is no life. A simple thing, that if you disobey the orders of Lord Christ, how you become a Christian, first of all? Where is your Christianity? Simply by rubber-stamping "I'm Christian" you become a Christian, without following the tenets?.

Prabhupāda: Just see Arjuna—you are talking of Arjuna—before fighting, before killing, so many things he's getting clarified. Ah? Kathaṁ sva-janaṁ hantuṁ . . . (indistinct) . . . (BG 1.36). Just see. "Why shall I kill?" So you have to understand why you should kill, why you should not kill.

(aside) Hmm. What is that?

Pradyumna:

yady apy ete na paśyanti
lobhopahata-cetasaḥ
kula-kṣaya-kṛtaṁ doṣaṁ
mitra-drohe ca pātakam
kathaṁ na jñeyam asmābhiḥ
pāpād asmān nivartitum
kula-kṣaya-kṛtaṁ doṣaṁ
prapaśyadbhir janārdana
(BG 1.37-38)

"O Janārdana, although these men, overtaken by greed, see no fault in killing one's family or quarreling with friends, why should we, with knowledge of the sin, engage in these acts?"

Prabhupāda: He's thoroughly understanding—before killing. Not that . . . (indistinct) . . . he began to kill. No. So we are rather unhappy that in London I've seen thousands of churches practically closed. Nobody is going there. We are not happy to see this is happening. But why people are abstaining from going to the church, although there is Pope, and so many priests and other things? Why?

Satish Kumar: It has become an institution, and there is no more religious . . .

Prabhupāda: Life.

Satish Kumar: . . . experience in life.

Prabhupāda: There is no life. A simple thing, that if you disobey the orders of Lord Christ, how you become a Christian, first of all? Where is your Christianity? Simply by rubber-stamping "I'm Christian" you become a Christian, without following the tenets?

Satish Kumar: Same as you were saying: Nehru was not a brāhmaṇa, but only because he was called brāhmaṇa. So . . .

Prabhupāda: No, why Nehru? Everyone.

Satish Kumar: Everyone.

Prabhupāda: Everywhere. Unless he follows the principles of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, how he becomes one? Therefore we have concluded everyone is a śūdra. Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ. That's all.

Satish Kumar: (laughs)

Prabhupāda: But there is no disappointment. Kṛṣṇa says:

māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya
ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ
striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās
te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim
(BG 9.32)

So even one is śūdra, we can give him deliverance by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. That is our perfection. It doesn't matter he has become a śūdra. But Kṛṣṇa says, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ, even lower than the śūdra, te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim, if he accepts Kṛṣṇa, then he also attains the perfection, goes back to home, back to Godhead. So there is no cause of disappointment because everyone has become śūdra. There is remedy also.

Page Title:If you disobey the orders of Lord Christ, how you become a Christian, first of all? Where is your Christianity? Simply by rubber-stamping "I'm Christian" you become a Christian, without following the tenets
Compiler:Soham
Created:2023-01-24, 10:50:33
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
No. of Quotes:1