Prabhupāda: Even if he falls down, still he is fortunate, because the injection is there. It will act, some day or another. Still he is fortunate. As fortunate man he took it, but he fall down. But that does not mean he's unfortunate. Still he's fortunate, because the poison is already there. It will develop. That is called ajñāta sukṛti. Therefore he is not loser. He continues to be fortunate. It will take some time.
Amogha: So he became weak because he misused his individual will.
Prabhupāda: He misused the instruction of his spiritual master. Therefore he became unfortunate, or he fell down. (pause) This is botanical garden?
Amogha: The sign says parking for botanic gardens. But I'm not acquainted with this. (pause) (break) I don't know. It says, "Centenary. August 22, 1947." Perhaps its name is on the other side. (pause) Is there going to be a world war very soon? We heard there would be.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: Then it will be a very different situation for preaching.
Prabhupāda: Your preaching will not be stopped. It will go on. (pause) (break) . . .the car.
Amogha: He's bringing the car. He went back. He'll bring it around.
Prabhupāda: What is written there?
Amogha: (reading sign) "The Tree Society originated the idea of placing this karri log in King's Park. The log, normally destined for milling, was provided and brought by Booning Brothers P.T. Limited from their Darling River saw-milling area. The felling, transporting and placing in position of this great log from over 200 miles from the depths of the forest, with each of the three sections borne on a 200 horsepower motor truck, was a major engineering feat and a tribute to the spirit of western Australian timber men. With the approval and assistance of the King's Park board, the actual placing of the log in King's Park by 25 June, 1958, was contributed to by Hume Pipe Co., Aaron Brothers, B.P. Australia Ltd, the Forests Department and other government departments. The completion of the project was a fine example of community effort."
Paramahaṁsa: It weighs a hundred and ten tons. And it's 363 years old, this log.
Prabhupāda: It is lying for 363 years?
Amogha: They say it grew that long. In America we have some redwood trees in California they say are many thousands of years old.
Paramahaṁsa: This is a type of eucalyptus?
Amogha: It says Eucalyptus diversicolor.
Prabhupāda: Bhāgavata says, kiṁ tarava na jīvanti (SB 2.3.18). You want to prolong your life. The trees, they do not prolong their life? So if you prolong your life, does it mean that you are better than tree? Kim tarava na jīvanti. If prolonging life is your mission, the trees automatically do that without any scientific knowledge. Then what is the value of your science? Kim . . .. Just see how they have taken. Kim tarava na jīvanti. Do they not live for thousands of years? What is the value of such living? If the tree is living here, standing for 10,000 years, then what is the value of this 10,000 years? So if you live like a tree, without any benefit, then what is the value of your life?
Jayadharma: Some people say that trees may be very happy. How do we know?
Prabhupāda: If you want to become happy like that, be. Stand up. Stand up on the bench and laugh—be happy. (laughter)
Amogha: But they say we are humans; we can enjoy.
Prabhupāda: What enjoy?
Amogha: Television, cinema, dancing . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, the dogs also dance and enjoy. The monkey also dance and enjoy.
Paramahaṁsa: But these animals, they're not intelligent enough to enjoy the higher . . .
Prabhupāda: Why not intelligent? They are intelligent. Otherwise when the dogs jumps from here, and one man goes there and come here, he's enjoying. It is enjoyment. So you are doing like that.
Amogha: But we cook very nice food to eat.
Prabhupāda: They also eat, according to their taste. The hogs, they eat stool; they enjoy it. So according to our calculation you are eating stool—the meat. And you are thinking you are enjoying, as the hog's thinking. That's all. It is a question of standard of enjoyment. Otherwise, enjoyment is there in every living sphere. (break)
(in car)
Prabhupāda: But here is something relishable therefore we are chanting whole day and night we should take advantage of it. That is the difference between spiritual and material.