Prabhupāda: Dogmatic, no. Why we should waste our time talking with such foolish men? "I don't believe." No, what. . . You believe or not believe; fact is fact. You are going to be old man. If you say, "I don't believe," then is that a very good proposition? It does not depend on your believing or not believing. The nature's course will take place. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ (BG 3.27). That will go on. What is there in your believing and not believing? If you keep yourself in such darkness that "If you believe, then it is fact," then you are a fool, rascal. If you depend only on your belief, then you are a fool. What is the meaning of your belief? "I believe if I touch fire it will not burn." Will this belief protect me? You touch fire, it will burn, you believe or not believe. What is this argument, "We don't believe"? This is going on. If nature's law is that you must die, then if you believe, "No, I'll not die," will that belief protect you? You have to submit to the nature's law. Why don't you understand this? You are talking of "believe" and "not believe." Whole world is going on in this way: "We think," "I suppose," "Perhaps," "I believe," like this. Where is science? Science does not depend on your "belief," "not belief," "supposing," "perhaps." This is not science. But they are going on like that. Whole Darwin's theory is based on this—"Maybe millions of years past. . ."
We want perfect knowledge, not such, what is called, saṁśayam. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says asaṁśayaṁ, "without any doubt." That is knowledge. And samagram, "complete." So if we have got the chance of knowing complete, without any doubt, so why shall I go to you, rascal? Your knowledge is based on "perhaps," "maybe." So why shall I go to such knowledge? I will have to go somewhere to take knowledge, so why not go to Kṛṣṇa, where the knowledge is complete and without any doubt? Why shall I go to you, you rascal? You simply say "maybe," "perhaps," "I think." What is the use of this knowledge? We don't accept. You cannot say that "You are right; I am wrong," because you are also going to somebody to get knowledge, I am also going to somebody to get knowledge. So here it assured that "Complete knowledge, without any doubt." But you have no such confidence. Am I right or not?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The difficulty arises in. . . We say, well, you have to grow old. And then we say the moon is so high above the sun. So. . .
Prabhupāda: So how can you deny it? First of all tell me. You have not gone there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I haven't gone, but the argument. . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. The scientist. I challenge that he has not gone there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (to another devotee?) Pay your obeisances.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. I have not gone, you have not gone, but I have got this authentic literature; you have nothing. So my position is better than yours. You are fool. You are befooled because you are simply contemplating. But I have got a definite literature, information. So my position is better than yours.