Prabhupāda: When the Britishers saw, "Now the soldiers are coming in national movement. There is no hope. Better break this and go peacefully so that our business may not be disturbed, our relation may not be disturbed. Make a Commonwealth and so on, so on, hodgepodge. And do as much harm as possible dividing Pakistan and Hindustan, all the food in Pakistan, East Bengal and West Pakistan, gehun (wheat) and rice." And this Hindustan in starvation, because they were getting gehun from Punjab and rice from East Bengal, and that is stopped. They very clever. Greatest harm they did. And in politics made in such a way that these two people, Hindustan and Pakistan, always fight. So they have gained. You have not gained. Gandhi wanted Hindu-Muslim unity. They made so bitter relationship that they will perpetually fight. That is Gandhi's qualification. They are so great diplomats that, "This man wants Hindu-Muslim unity, so make such arrangement that this . . . they will fight continuous. And give all the food to the Pakistani, so they will starve. Let them eat coal." The Hindustan has got coal mine. "So they will suffer for industrial supply, and they will supply for food. And they will fight." British diplomats are very clever. Gandhi even offered that, "Don't divide India. You better give it to Jinnah." But this commission, this Patita Lalan, "No, no," said: "It is . . . otherwise, there will be conflagration of always fight. Let it be settled." Gandhi went to this point that, "If you think that without division India will be chaos, so you better give it to Jinnah in the hand. Don't give it to me." But they wanted division.
Indian man (1): That is a British policy.
Prabhupāda: They wanted this division.
Pradyumna: Gandhi was very much against division.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Division means that what remains India?
Pradyumna: Well on economic grounds also . . .
Prabhupāda: Formerly India was India, Burma, Ceylon. They never divided, divided. They wanted that, "Divide, divide, divide, and let this rascal have a small plot of land."
Indian man (1): No, even they made it, even all the states, they made independent.
Prabhupāda: Yes, to make their choice, "You can join either Pakistan or India."
Indian man (1): Or remain independent also.
Prabhupāda: They wanted to make nil India. The Hyderabad state was given choice. Kashmir was given choice, whichever—Hindustan or Pakistan. That is still going on, the Kashmir.
Indian man (1): Even in Orissa, small states just like Mayurbhanj and Dhenkanal also, they were independent before that time, till Sardar Patel came in and asked them to . . .
Prabhupāda: Simply divide, divide, divide. Divide and rule, and divide and break. They have done always like that.
Indian man (1): That proviso was the written rule. They made completely . . . without that they cannot do it actually. They made such a big empire, they cannot do actually without divide-and-rule policy.
Prabhupāda: Bheda, bheda, bheda policy. This is called sandhyaṁ bheda. There are four policies.
Indian man (1): That is Cāṇakya's nīti also.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is bheda policy. That is going on in politics.
Indian man (1): Politics. In America (Bengali) movement (Bengali) government support?
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) Government nahī; public.
Indian man (1): (Bengali with Prabhupāda) Government support?
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) . . . slaughter industry . . . (Bengali) . . . cigarette factory . . . (Bengali). Theoretically, if our principles are adopted by the American people in general, as my disciples have done, then their whole industrial structure will be broken.
Indian man (1): Not actually. Don't affect so much because all are not going to be . . . even in India it is not.
Prabhupāda: This is one thing. This is one thing, that . . . no, they are taking seriously. And another thing is that if the public opinion becomes in favor of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then they will get vote and they'll capture government, because it is republic. That is another point, another. The most important point is: these boys who come to me, they forget forever their families or father, mother. No family. That is their great shock.