Prabhupāda: It is not the Hindu point of view. It is science. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13)—that is applicable both for Hindu, Muslim, Christian, everyone. Just like a Hindu child and a Muslim child. Does it mean that Hindu child will not grow to become young man? Only the Muslim will grow? The dehāntara-prāptiḥ—a child becomes a boy—that is equally applicable to the Hindus, to the Muslim, to the Christian, to everyone.
Professor: Of course, yes.
Prabhupāda: Then where it is the religion? It is the science.
Professor: Yes. But the Christian, for example, says . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. I say from practical . . . a Hindu child becomes a boy, and Christian child also becomes a boy. You cannot say that because you are Christian you will not become a boy. Can you say like that?
Professor: Oh, no.
Prabhupāda: Or because you are Christian you will not become an old man. Can you say like that?
Professor: I am following your argument, yes.
Prabhupāda: So it is the science. So if this science is not in your university, then you are in darkness.
Professor: Now, we teach it as religion, but whether you take it . . .
Prabhupāda: Again you say religion. It is not religion; it is science.
Professor: Fine. You say it is a science, I say it is religion.
Prabhupāda: Now, you have to say, because you also grow. You shall also grow old man like me, not that because you are Christian you will not grow old man like me.
Professor: In any case . . .
Prabhupāda: No, this is the first proposition, that if you keep people in darkness—he does not know what is his future—then what is the use of education and university?
Indian man (2): So do you mean that the university should be abolished?
Prabhupāda: Not abolished. But education means that you must know what is your position.
Indian man (2): With due respect, I want to know what is the line of demarcation between science and religion.
Prabhupāda: Science means which is applicable to everyone. Religion is described in the dictionary, "a kind of faith." Faith . . . I may be Hindu today; tomorrow I may be Christian. That is . . . I can change.
Indian man (2): But this is not the definition of true religion.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I am not talking of religion. I am talking of science. Religion is a kind of faith. You may be believe or you may not believe.
Indian man (2): No. There is no question of belief. The question is whether the . . . what is the difference between religion and science? If difference is known, then the learned person can make him right or wrong at that time. But unless and until the demarcation of line between religion and science . . .
Prabhupāda: Now . . . yes, that we can say like this, that "Two plus two equal to four," this is applicable to the Hindus, Muslim, Christian, everyone. This is science.
Professor: Yes. No, no, I understand. I understand. I know where your argument is going to. But any case, let us beg to differ. Because . . . let us accept it. I just want to say I agree with you in this sense. I agree with you in this sense, Swami, that if we do not pay attention to the religious side, then we keep the people in darkness. We have to, on the religious side too. (someone entering) Professor Olivier, the rector. (introducing) . . . and this is Swami Bhaktivedanta.