Prabhupāda: Doctor is also as good a scientist as you are. If you do not have faith in the doctor, why do you claim people to have faith on you? Where is the proof that you'll be able? Why you are asking us blindly to follow you? What is your answer?
Nitāi: Sometimes they say that if we can control, if we can produce . . .
Prabhupāda: But I'm protesting that you cannot control. You are rascal, you are thinking like that. That is our charge against you, that you cannot control. In the history there is not a single instance that man has controlled nature. But nature has controlled man. That is the history. Where is the proof that you shall control? You are controlled. Nature is forcing you to become an old man. You are becoming. You control like that, that you remain a young man. Nature is controlling you to die. You control nature that "Death will not be forced upon me." So where is the history that man has controlled nature?
Nitāi: They say that now we are controlling atomic energy, and now we are controlling . . .
Prabhupāda: What is that atomic energy? What is the use of it? We'll die. Without atomic energy you'll die. What is this control? Death is already there, and you are utilizing atomic energy for death, that's all. So what is your credit? You use atomic energy that you'll not die. Then it is control. Death is already there. You might have atomic energy or no atomic energy—you have to die. By atomic energy you are accelerating the same problem of death, that's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gradually we are learning how to become deathless.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They will argue . . .
Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. That is called hope against hope.