Prabhupāda: It is just to give His personal example that a sannyāsī should not be very much intimately mixing with rich men. That is by His personal example. He was a sannyāsī. He refused to see a king, because a king is supposed to be always busy in material affairs. So if . . . for the general people aspiring to go back to home, back to Godhead, for them, to mix with the materialistic person is forbidden. Viṣayiṇāṁ sandarśanam atha yoṣitāṁ ca (CC Madhya 11.8). Those who are viṣayī, simply engaged in sense gratification, and yoṣitām . . . yoṣitām means women or enjoyable things.
Indian man (1): Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Indian man (1): Many religious institution, they welcome the rich peoples. Those who are coming by cars, and those who are coming gorgeously, and they are donating much to the institutions, they are welcomed by the people, management of these institutions. And this is your version. It is just contradictory. I accept your version. It is quite, quite right. And I hope our institution must do not like that. This ISKCON must not do like that. The well-to-do peoples who come, they'll get more . . . (indistinct) . . . more receptions, more congratulations. I request it must be your directions that our institution ISKCON must not do like this. And it is your . . . (laughter)
Prabhupāda: But one . . . one thing is that we are not living like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. (laughter)
Indian man (1): Yes.
Prabhupāda: Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He was ideal sannyāsī, and He was living apart from any material attachment. But we have to do preaching work. We have to construct temple, comfortable temple. So who will pay for that?
Indian man (1): Then your version . . .
Prabhupāda: Therefore we have to sometimes do that.
Indian man (1): Yes. Out of necessity.
Prabhupāda: Just like that woman, that chaste woman. She served a prostitute . . .
Indian man (1): To make them correct.
Prabhupāda: No. Serve prostitute for serving her husband. That is a big story.
Indian man (2): Big story, yes.
Prabhupāda: Lakṣa-hīra.
Indian man (1): Lakṣa-hīra. Yes.
Prabhupāda: You know that, Lakṣa-hīra.
Indian man (1): And husband was a . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (1): And he requested his Lakṣa-hīra that, "I want to go one night to the . . ."
Prabhupāda: Yes, to the prostitute and her pay, her fee, was lakṣa-hīra, one hundred thousand pieces of diamond. You see.
Indian man (1): Yes. I know that, that story.
Prabhupāda: So for the satisfaction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, we sometimes do that. But we collect money from them not for our sense gratification, but constructing this temple.
Indian man (1): For the general public and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (1): . . . country and . . .
Prabhupāda: And unless we have got temple like this, nobody would come. If I sit down here, "Bhaktivedanta Swami is sitting here," nobody will come. (laughter)
Indian man (1): But people, like poor people, like come to the . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is God. He can attract any man. But I am not God. I have to attract people by some opulence.
Indian man (2): But Prabhupāda, in the beginning, you attracted in the park everyone. When you went to America, you were chanting and attracting people just in the park. Same place. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Now, at that time, only Brahmānanda was attracted. (laughter) Not you. Not you.
Indian man (2): Only because he was sincere soul.
Prabhupāda: This Brahmānanda and Acyutānanda, they first danced in my chanting in the park. The photograph was published in the Times of New York.
Indian man (1): And I heard that your first devotee in America, Kīrtanīyā.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (1): Kīrtanīyā Swami.
Prabhupāda: Kīrtanānanda Swami.
Indian man (1): Kīrtanānanda Swami.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is next. He is next.
Indian man (1): Oh, yes. I met him.
Prabhupāda: He came next. Brahmānanda came first.
Kīrtanānanda: No, I came first. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No. You were present in that Tompkinson Square?
Kīrtanānanda: Before that.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Kīrtanānanda: Before that.
Prabhupāda: Oh, before that. Yes, yes. Yes, I . . .
Indian man (1): I asked him. And somebody, some devotee . . .
Prabhupāda: Brahmānanda, you are defeated. (laughter) So kīrtana is glorious than brahma-jñāna. (laughter)
Indian man (1): And some devotee introduced me with him that, "He is the first devotee of Prabhupāda in America, in foreign."
Prabhupāda: Yes. He's also a priest's son, coming from very respectable, priestly order family.
Indian man (1): Last few days, we were enjoying a good day.
Indian man (2): But there are so many disciples of one guru. Are they come all in bona fide disciplic succession?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? Well, everyone is in a bona fide disciplic succession provided he keeps that tradition. Keeps that tradition. Āpani ācari prabhu jīve śikhāilā (Caitanya Mahāprabhu). One must behave that, "I belong to this disciplic succession. I must keep myself fit for the post." Then it is all right. If he deviates, then he deviates the disciplic succession. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (pause) Caitanya Mahāprabhu says frankly that . . . this is disciplic succession: āmāra ājñāya, "Just carry out My order." Then you are in disciplic succession. If you do not keep yourself in the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, then simply by becoming disciple you are not in the disciplic succession. This is disciplic succession. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said this clearly, āmāra ājñāya guru haña tāra ei: "Wherever you live, you become a spiritual master." How? Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128): "Whomever you meet, you only speak what Kṛṣṇa has instructed." Then you are disciplic succession. It doesn't matter what you are and where you are. It doesn't matter. This is disciplic succession. And if you think, "Now I am initiated, I am now liberated. I have no other business," then you are not in the disciplic succession. You must preach. That is disciplic succession.