Prabhupāda: Some sādhu went . . . (indistinct)
Dr. Patel: No, no. I mean janeṣu abhijñeṣu. Abhijñaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Abhijñeṣu. Abhijñaḥ means those who are in knowledge.
Dr. Patel: Knowledge.
Prabhupāda: Abhijñāta.
Dr. Patel: That means sat-saṅga. Instead of doing sat-saṅga, people go to Kumbha-melā . . . (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No. Kumbha-melā is sat-saṅga. If you go to Kumbha-melā to find out a man of knowledge, then your Kumbha-melā is right. Otherwise, yad-buddhiḥ śalile sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13). If one thinks that this śalila, the water, to take bath in the water, is Kumbha-melā, he is a go-kharaḥ. But the real yaj . . . that, "Now there are assembly of so many saintly persons. Let me take advantage of their knowledge," then he is intelligent. (break) . . . congress of highly learned saintly persons. People should take advantage.
Dr. Patel: To bring people together on discussion there are different groups, no?
Prabhupāda: Still, you can go to different groups of saintly person. Different groups means brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti (SB 1.2.11). There are some yogīs, some jñānīs, some bhaktas. They are of the same category, little difference. Otherwise . . .
Dr. Patel: By different ways they have reached the same goal.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Brahmeti paramātmeti. Some of them are brahma-parāyana; some of them paramātma-parāyana; some of them are bhakta. It doesn't matter. But they're all spiritual. They have no interest in this material world. Tattva-vit. Tattva-vit. They know what is truth.
Dr. Patel: What is the history of this Kumbha-melā, sir?
Prabhupāda: They say that Kumbha-melā is . . . that spot is very sacred because Mohinī-mūrti brought the nectar there.
Dr. Patel: But in India, Kumbha is . . . Kumbha-melā ritually is . . .
Prabhupāda: Kumbha, that kumbha means the waterpot.
Dr. Patel: Waterpot, yes. But at different places round the Nasik . . . last year and . . .
Prabhupāda: So might have been all these places.
Dr. Patel: Nasik and Ujjain and this—three places.
Prabhupāda: How everything is nice. See the ap, sky, how viśāla and how nice by Kṛṣṇa. Pūrṇam idam. (break) The vṛkṣa-yoni is condemned. By Kṛṣṇa's arrangement the vṛkṣas are also so nicely set up, it becomes beautiful.
Dr. Patel: They're all the representatives of Kṛṣṇa's creation. This is perfect.
Prabhupāda: Pūrṇam. Pūrṇam idam. Pūrṇam adaḥ (Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Invocation).
Dr. Patel: It was a challenge to one scientist who taught nonsense . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Well . . . what . . .?
Dr. Patel: One man challenged by me, a student, you know, "Sir, you said there is no God. Can you make a living cell even of a . . . not of, much less animal, of a plant even?" And he just looked with open mouth. "Can you make a single cell living? Cell, like. Not of the whole tree." That is nature. That is God. That is Kṛṣṇa. That . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi (BS 5.35). Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntarastham. Paramāṇu. Āṇu. Then paramāṇu means smaller than the atom. Six paramāṇus makes one āṇu. Atomic dimension is the combination of six paramāṇus. So in that paramāṇu also the Lord is there.
Dr. Patel: He made it, and then He entered into it. That is what the Veda says.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Antara-stha. Yac-chakti . . . there is verse. The Paramātmā, Paramātmā is there. The whole human life is meant for understanding all this and glorifying the Lord. And they are wasting the life by imitating the hog. Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujaṁ ye (SB 5.5.1). Viḍ-bhujām. Viḍ means stool, bhujā means eating. Yac-chaktir eṣa sa . . . what is that? There is a verse: eko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiṁ yac-chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ, aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu . . . (BS 5.35).
Dr. Patel: Jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi.
Prabhupāda: Ekaḥ. Ekaḥ apy asya. Eko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭim. They create millions of universes.
Dr. Patel: But the standard of creation is the same, sir. That I believe of life. Wherever you see, it's the same. That is the greatness of God, that there is no change.
Prabhupāda: So without that . . .
Dr. Patel: If you are an amoeba or a highest evolved man, the system of life is the same.
Prabhupāda: Without . . .