Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . . nobody said that this meat-eating is bad; now I am saying. You see? So they do not know that it is bad. So they are not offenders.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And now that you are saying, many people are stopping.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Somebody, they act. . . Just like illicit sex. They did not know that it is sinful. Now they are understanding. There was no good leader. Even the priests. In the Bible it is said, "Thou shall not kill." The priests never said, because they are meat-eaters. They themselves are meat-eaters. How they can say? "It is our tradition to eat meat." But how the common man will be educated? (break) You can give me the general prasāda today. I will taste. (break) When one become rich, he becomes lazy. What is called? "Leads to poverty"? Hmm? Luxury. "Luxury leads to poverty." So at one time one become very rich by hard work, and next generation gets the money for nothing, he spends it on luxury, and the third generation, poor. There are many families, in everywhere. In England, all these English men, in the beginning they worked very hard, expanding their empire and working. Then gradually, when they became Lord family, then luxury. Now they are poverty-stricken.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Their country is very poor now.
Prabhupāda: Very poor.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All of Europe is poor.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Especially Holland and England. Holland and England and France, there was competition for colonization. The same colonization is there in America, Canada. The Frenchmen and. . . What is that?
Brahmānanda: The Dutchmen, they went to New York first. The Dutch, they first went to New York.
Prabhupāda: Yes.