Lokanātha: Their experiment means speculation.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Kīrtanānanda: One wants to experiment, it means they don't know what is truth.
Prabhupāda: Yes. As soon as there is experiment, there is no truth. And if there is truth, there is no experiment.
Kīrtanānanda: One simply accepts the truth.
Prabhupāda: Truth, we accept or not accept: truth is truth. Huh? There is a father. That is a truth. You may not know who is your father, that is another thing. But this is a fact, there is father.
Lokanātha: You have said many times that when mother says: "This is your father," you just accept it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is truth.
Lokanātha: We do not go for experimenting, neither it is possible to find out.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no question of experimenting whether he is my father. You take the truth from the mother, and that's final. (break) . . . being more and more convinced, why Kṛṣṇa said, na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhā prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15)? Huh? Anyone who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is within these groups, duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ. That is being more and more confirmed.
Kīrtanānanda: They may appear like learned men or they may appear like . . .
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Kīrtanānanda: They may appear like moral men or learned men, but still they are . . .
Prabhupāda: Not . . .
Kīrtanānanda: . . . rascals.
Prabhupāda: Rascal, yes.