Prabhupāda: Without reference to God, what is the meaning of sacred rites? Everything is reference that accepting the supreme controller. That is the real meaning. At least, Christian religion accepts God, Muhammadan religion accepts God, or Hindu religion accepts God. So without God, how it can be religion? Hmm? If there is no understanding of God, the conclusion comes that there is no religion. Fictitious. "We trust in God," but do not know what is God. This is going on. So we have to fight against all this nonsense. Nonsense scientists, nonsense religionists. What do you think?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Necessary.
Prabhupāda: It is not easy-going, sleeping business. We have to fight with so many demons. Otherwise, kava dava adakanam(?), my Guru Mahārāja used to say. Beg some rice, and bring it and cook it, and eat and sleep.
Pradyumna: Kava daka . . .?
Prabhupāda: Kava dava adakanam. As all our Godbrothers are doing. They have got a little temple, and a few devotees go and beg rice and cook it, and eat and sleep, that's all.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It's like being dead almost.
Prabhupāda: No fighting spirit. Ṭhākura dekhiya . . . (indistinct) . . ..
Pradyumna: Ṭhākura dekhiya . . .?
Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct) . . .. Just make a Deity, show. Our Tīrtha Mahārāja is doing that. His whole idea was that "I have now captured the birthplace of Caitanya Mahāprabhu by high-court favor. Now I have got everything. People will come, and they'll pay something, and that will be my income for my family," as the caste gosvāmīs do in Navadvīpa and other . . . A means of livelihood. He has no devotion.