Dr. Ware: Indeed, I think that would be very . . . and also it would be very interesting if you would care to take our test.
Śyāmasundara: Test?
Dr. Ware: Yes. The entrance qualification.
Śyāmasundara: (laughs) What kind of questions? Is it scientific?
Dr. Ware: No. Just simple intelligence, that's all.
Mensa Member: (indistinct) . . . an I.Q. test.
Dr. Ware: . . . that's all. Call it test, but it's something; we've got nothing better at the moment.
Prabhupāda: We think our activities above intelligence. Spiritual. Spiritual.
Dr. Ware: That's quite different.
Prabhupāda: Because above the mind . . . above the body there is mind; above the mind there is intelligence, and above the intelligence there is soul, and above the soul there is God. So we are talking of relationship between God and the soul. It is above body, mind and intelligence.
Dr. Ware: That's what interests me. One has this hierarchical or superior attitude even in the statement you've just made, that things, you know, about more contained which is what I feel is easier.
Prabhupāda: Because we take from God there is no mistake. There's no mistake. Otherwise He cannot be God.
Dr. Ware: I mean this is just unnecessary. It is just tautological. But since this is in your definition of God, you don't have to go any farther.
Prabhupāda: But God means He's above mistake,
Dr. Ware: Yes.
Prabhupāda: . . . above the illusion, above cheating, above imperfection. This is God.
Śyāmasundara: There's a central premise that everything is simultaneously one and different. Just like flowers—there are many flowers, roses, but within the flowers there is variety.