Devotee: "According to the vaibhāṣika philosophy, the so-called soul, or ātmā, vanishes along with the deterioration of the body. So, in any case, whether Arjuna accepted the Vedic conclusion that there is an atomic soul or whether he did not believe in the existence of the soul, he had no reason for lamenting. According to this theory, since there are so many entities generating out of matter every moment, and so many of them are being vanquished at every moment, there is no need to grieve for such an incidence."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Material creation, just like bubbles in the ocean. You have seen, standing on the bank of the Pacific Ocean, oh, so many thousands of bubbles created in a second, and again thousands of bubbles gone in a second. Now, who is crying there? "Oh, so many bubbles were created, and they are gone, they are gone, they are gone." (laughter) It is nonsense. (laughs)
So Kṛṣṇa is very nicely giving argument that "If you think there is no soul—it is being manufactured by the interaction of the physical element—so it is just like bubbles in the ocean. So many bubbles are created and destroyed every moment. So what is there cause of lamentation? What is your reason?"
Devotee: "However . . ."
Prabhupāda: Just like modern people, they are after peace, stopping war. And suppose you stop war. Can you stop death? Then why you are after stopping war? Why you forget your real business? They are after stopping war. And suppose war is stopped, nobody takes to war anymore. Now, how you'll stop the war of this material nature?
She is fighting always with you. From the beginning of your birth she is fighting. A child is born, and the material nature is killing this child every moment. The child has grown, two years old. That means material nature has already killed this child for two years. How you can stop this? These nonsense, they do not consider these cases.
Suppose if I stop war—there will be no more war, no more disease. No more disease cannot be possible. You can make by some way no more war. That is also not possible. Anyway, if you stop it by the efforts of the United Nation, a very large organization, then how you are going to stop death? What is your proposition? There is no, nothing. So what is the use of stopping war?
Suppose in the war some young men die. That's all right. So many young men die within the hospital in the disease. And sometimes old men, they do not die even in the war. So life and death is not in your hand. You don't think that stopping this or increasing this, you'll be able to stop all inconveniences.
Just take, for example, this boy, Bīrabhadra, was struck by a car. All right, he was in the street. But another boy, he fell on the staircase and broke his leg. He was at home, he met accident. So how you can stop this, the onslaught of material nature? Everywhere, either you are at home or you are outside; either you are young, you are old—either you are scientist or philosopher—whatever you are, the material nature will not allow you to live in peaceful condition. That is her business.
Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). You cannot live peacefully, that is not possible. The only peaceful condition is that you become in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no other alternative. Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā (CC Adi 17.21). Lord Caitanya clearly says: "There is no other alternative, no other alternative, no other alternative." It is not that our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is one of the so many movements. No. It is the only one movement that can give peace and life and prosperity to the people.