Dr. Patel: Sir, the secular means, I mean, respect for all the methods of worship.
Prabhupāda: There is no method.
Dr. Patel: But they means secular means no dharma. That is their definition. It is a wrong definition.
Prabhupāda: That is a defect of the government, that they do not know what is spiritual life. They have no knowledge. Mūḍhas. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum (SB 7.5.31). They do not know this. They cannot also explain what is the aim of life. That Professor Kotovsky, such a big man, he said: "Swāmījī, after death everything is finished."
Dr. Patel: Bhasmi bhūtasya śarīrasya kutaḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is this philosophy. This philosophy is prominent all over the world. They are . . . "So long this body is there, enjoy it to the utmost. And after death everything is finished." Bās.
Dr. Patel: Yavaj jīvaṁ sukham . . .
Prabhupāda: Sukhaṁ jivet.
Dr. Patel: . . . kṛtva ghṛtaṁ pibet . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Kutaḥ punar agamano abhavet.
Nanda-kumāra: Harikeśa, he is feeling sick. He has a bad headache. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . you have come? As soon as he has come, he is feeling headache. (laughter) And pain in the stomach is very good disease. Nobody can see. (laughter) If I say: "I am feeling headache," you cannot see. I can sleep very nicely. And pain in the stomach you cannot see. These two diseases are beyond the physician's limit.
Indian man (3): And these are common disease.
Dr. Patel: No, no, as a matter of fact, if there is a continuous headache, we can give him a number-one needle. Then his head will be cured. Then he will say: "I am all right sir. Now don't do it," with this much of needle inside. (break)
Prabhupāda: The first cultural education is how to teach the small children to become purified, brahmacārī.
Dr. Patel: In ancient times it was done by association in gurukulas.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is required, gurukula. We are starting, therefore, gurukulas. And it is becoming . . .
Dr. Patel: Gurukula. Kula of guru.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Brahmacari guru-kule vasan danto guror hitam (SB 7.12.1). This is the beginning. A brahmacārī should live in the aśrama of guru, danta, self-controlled, and only for the benefit of guru, not for anyone's benefit. Brahmacārī guru . . . they'll go, collect alms, and everything should be delivered to guru.
Dr. Patel: When Kṛṣṇa was sent to collect the wood.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Guror hitam. The brahmacārī life means only for the benefit of guru. Everything is there in Bhāgavatam.