Prabhupāda: So, best thing was to say that he is not in good shape; say to me that he is incorrigible. And I could have asked him . . . (indistinct) . . . he would have finished. He may give one day, once, twice - if he does not follow, then you shall ask him just to please leave this place. That's all. That should be offered. We should also . . . the police said that, when I told him that our regulation is that everyone should get up at four, so he immediately, "I don't see anyone who is rising at four . . . (indistinct) . . . nobody." What can I answer?
Devotee: How can he say that, Śrīla Prabhupāda? How can he see if anyone is rising at four or not?
Prabhupāda: Now here is the . . . (indistinct) . . . he says that nobody rises early in the morning. Just like yourself.
Śyāmasundara: But he is rising.
Devotee: I am, I am rising.
Prabhupāda: He is rising, but others!
Pañcadraviḍa: Some others are rising. Not . . . not all, but some of them are rising.
Śyāmasundara: The whole point is that the sannyāsīs must see that that standard is kept to the highest. That's their job. That's why you've taken . . .
Prabhupāda: But that should be observed, and peacefully it should be settled. If it is not peacefully settled, the man who will continually disobey, he should be respectfully asked, "Please go." You cannot . . . that . . .
Pañcadraviḍa: Who has the authority to say to somebody, "Please go," though?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Pañcadraviḍa: Who has the authority to tell a person, "Please go"? We don't know who. I don't know who has that authority.
Prabhupāda: The president will say. So long I am here, I shall say . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: This, this daṇḍa gives authority to the . . .
Prabhupāda: That gives authority.
Acyutānanda: Not in ISKCON.
Prabhupāda: That gives authority.
Acyutānanda: Not in ISKCON.
Śyāmasundara: Yes it does. In US . . .
Acyutānanda: No, no it doesn't. They do not respect sannyāsīs. (devotees all talk at once)
Śyāmasundara: Because you may not deserve it, then.
Acyutānanda: Now I'm getting so . . . the thing is, they may say like that, but behind my back people are talking, saying this . . .
Prabhupāda: Now if they do not also obey the orders of the sannyāsī, then naturally . . . but that thing should be brought to the notice of higher, or some official, president. Then steps should be taken that, "If you cannot follow the rules and regulations, then you must leave." It is plain thing. There is no question of fighting. First thing is that a sannyāsī, leader, they should behave themselves according to the rules and regulations, and then ask others to follow. The others who do not follow, once, twice excused, three times, "Please leave." Like that.
Śyāmasundara: If, if he follows strictly the principles, then he'll be automatically respected.
Acyutānanda: Now I wanted to ask somebody to leave, but how does he leave? We have to buy him his ticket or something. There was a boy, one . . .
Prabhupāda: Leave means he can go to other center.
Acyutānanda: I wanted to ask him to leave, but where would he go? Who will pay for his way out?
Prabhupāda: Then one thing is, that this ultimate, we are canvassing, we are preaching to bring men. To get them out is not our business. That is not our business that, but if he is incorrigible, he is not . . . then he must leave. That is . . . if you are making so much preaching, why, to bring men, not to ask them to go. If for some paltry reason you ask, that is not . . .
Devotee: This was not a paltry reason.
Prabhupāda: When he is incorrigible. First of all you have to try to correct him and . . . that is preaching. Our preaching means that people are useless, we have to train them in such a way they may take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is our management. But if he is completely incorrigible, then he will be asked to leave. Otherwise it is not our business that as soon as we see something is being wrong . . . he must be trained, by our example, by our teaching, by our work. Śānta yaṁ cinvanti kutiḥ. By word, by example, he should be corrected. If I cannot correct him by my words and example, that is also my . . . (indistinct) . . . because they are . . . they are . . . you cannot expect that everyone has come here, sādhu. It is not that. We collect from ordinary men, but we have to make him sādhu. That is preaching. That is preaching. That you have to do tactfully. Not that because one is incorrigible . . . after trying all our ways, if he is still incorrigible, then you can ask. Not that for paltry reason he cannot be . . . "Get out." That "get out," if you make, then everything has to be "get out." That is not the policy. Policy is first of all to correct him. That is preaching. As far as possible by example, by teaching, by everything.
Pañcadraviḍa: Engage him.
Prabhupāda: By engaging. That is our school. It is a school. If a student does not learn nicely, you cannot say: "Get out." As far as possible. But when it is absolutely impossible to correct him, then you have to ask. And if there is money, equal you have to manage some money. What can be done? But I don't think that if we try our best to correct him, this ultimate punishment will be required . . . (indistinct) . . . after all, human being, and our business is to teach and become ideal ourself. Āpani ācari prabhu jīvere śikhāya (Lord Caitanya). We have to teach by our personal behavior. If you rise early in the morning, if you take your bath, if you sit down regularly and keep . . . (indistinct) . . . how he can deny? How one can deny? It is not possible. But if I smoke, I ask others not to smoke, that will never be possible. Āpani ācari prabhu jīvere, first of all you have to be. If one is not cleansing, you shall tell me just like I , I . . . (indistinct) . . . this way. We have to do like that. Not that I "Comand, you do this. Oh, you cannot do? Get out." Not that. We show him. After all, our life is sacrificed for teaching, and that teaching means one should behave himself nicely. He cannot say that, "You do not . . . (indistinct) . . ." Just like one day in London there was some talks with Nanda-kumāra, you. He was accusing you; you were accusing him. I heard from . . . (indistinct) . . . so you should do in such a way that he cannot accuse you. If you ask him to rise early in the morning, take your bath, and if you do not take . . . of course in some special case. I was taking early bath. Now I do not take, because due to my health. That is preferred . . . otherwise, regularly I was taking. Not even hot water. Regularly. This hot water bath I have begun in your country; otherwise I have never taken. Even in severest cold. Here also I am trying to avoid. I am keeping tub of water, sunshine. Whatever little warm it becomes, that's all. So, of course, for special health reason one cannot rise, he is sick and cannot attend, otherwise, everyone should rise early in the morning, take bath and be ready for performing our service by six o'clock or five o'clock. And the kīrtana party, you should know everyone go. It may be small distance, but all our men should go. That will be real benefit. See in the early in the morning. So many parties come.