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| <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Cows.</p> | | <p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Cows.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Useful, giving milk. Most humble, useful. Even after death it is useful. And they are so rascal, they are taking care of the dog, not of the cow. Just see how they are rascals. And they are advanced, civilized. They do not know what is meant by civilization.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Useful, giving milk. Most humble, useful. Even after death it is useful. And they are so rascal, they are taking care of the dog, not of the cow. Just see how they are rascals. And they are advanced, civilized. They do not know what is meant by civilization.</p> |
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| | <div id="RoomConversationwithFrenchJournalistandUNESCOWorkerAugust101973Paris_2" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="58" link="Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris|Room Conversation with French Journalist and UNESCO Worker -- August 10, 1973, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yogeśvara: How should society be organized in order to achieve these goals?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You organize that there should be division of different classes of men. The first class men, the second class men, the third class men, fourth class men. The first-class men means the most intelligent class of men. Second-class men means those who are dealing in politics. Third-class men means those who are dealing in economics, industry, trade. And fourth-class men means they have no intelligence to take up all these things, but they work only. But all of them should cooperate. For the general benefit of the whole human society. We have got engagement for the first-class men, second-class men, third-class men, fourth-class men. Just like we have got in our body the brain, the arms, the belly, and the legs. But all of them are cooperating for keeping the body fit. Similarly, the first-class, second-class, third-class, fourth-class men should cooperate for achieving the end, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="MorningWalkDecember51973LosAngeles_3" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="90" link="Morning Walk -- December 5, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 5, 1973, Los Angeles"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 5, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 5, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yaśomatīnandana: In Gujarati we call it: bhanji moti laksmim.(?) When the palm is closed it is worth lakh rupees, but when it is open, it doesn't mean anything. A foolish person, when he talks, he reveals everything.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Foolish person means busy rascal. There are four kinds of division: lazy intelligent and busy intelligent and lazy rascal and busy rascal. The first-class man is lazy intelligent, and second class, busy intelligent, and third class, lazy rascal, and fourth class, busy rascal. A rascal, if he's busy, then what he will do? He'll simply do harm. That's all.</p> |
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| | <div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
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| | <div id="MorningWalkJanuary51974LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- January 5, 1974, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. What is their conclusion?</p> |
| | <p>Bali Mardana: That the world is very, is full of suffering...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
| | <p>Bali Mardana: ...so they become very sturdy to bear the suffering.</p> |
| | <p>Yaśodānandana: Emotionless.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: So one who can suffer without any protest, he's first-class man.</p> |
| | <p>Bali Mardana: (laughs) Yeah.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That means they do not know how to stop suffering.</p> |
| | <p>Bali Mardana: Yeah.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: The... Here is one class, they're trying to become very strong to tolerate suffering, and other philosophies, they're making everything zero. There is no question of not suffering, but making zero. No suffering, nor neither suffering. Suffering or not..., both of them abolished, dismissed. This philosopher is... "This suffering cannot be dismissed.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithRichardWebsterchairmanSocietaFilosoficaItalianaMay241974Rome_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="83" link="Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome" link_text="Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome|Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: You cannot find out an ideal character man.</p> |
| | <p>Richard Webster: Is this due to machines, do you think, to the prevalence of machines?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. It is due to third-class, fourth-class men. There is no first-class men. The brāhmaṇas are considered to be first-class men, the kṣatriyas are considered to be second-class men, and the vaiśyas, they are third-class men, and rest, all fourth-class and fifth-class. So at the present moment there is third-class, some, and all fourth-class and fifth-class. There is no first-class and second-class men. So unless they are, at least some of them are first-class men, ideal, the human society is doomed. It cannot be peaceful. Full of śūdras, fourth-class men. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for creating some first-class men. This is our ideal. Therefore we forbid them not to take meat, not to have illicit sex, not to..., because these things are accepted by the fourth-class, fifth-class men: unrestricted sex life, meat-eating, intoxication, gambling. They are not to be indulged by the first-class, second-class men, even third-class. It begins from the fourth-class men. Fourth-class, fifth-class. So if one remains to the category of the fourth-class, fifth-class man, how he can be trained up as first-class man? Therefore these things are prohibited because our aim is to create some first-class men.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithRichardWebsterchairmanSocietaFilosoficaItalianaMay241974Rome_2" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="83" link="Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome" link_text="Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome|Room Conversation with Richard Webster, chairman, Societa Filosofica Italiana -- May 24, 1974, Rome]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: These boys, although they are young men, they will never go to cinema. They are young men. They have got all propensities. But they are so elevated, they have given up all these low propensities, going to the club, restaurant, and cinema or naked dance and this and that, no. Because they are first-class men, they cannot indulge in the third-class, fourth-class proclivities. We are training them in that way. That is required.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithMrCHennisoftheInternationalLaborOrganizationoftheUNMay311974Geneva_3" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva" link_text="Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva|Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">C. Hennis: Thank you very much. I come from the International Labor Organization which is an organization in the United Nations family. It's the second organization after the United Nations itself, and it's interested in every form of labor, every form of activity connected with labor, and the protection of the worker, the welfare of the worker. And in many respects, of course, our preoccupations must overlap with yours in certain respects of the activities, of man in general and his protection and his well-being.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: So according to our Vedic conception, the labor class man is supposed to be the fourth-class man. First-class man, intelligentsia, very intelligent, learned. Or intelligent—one who can understand up to God. To understand God requires great intelligence. So first intelligent class of men, up to, so they are called brāhmaṇa. The next intelligent class man, those who give protection to the society, kṣatriya. And the third class, those who produce food and distribute. They are third class. And other, all others, they are fourth class.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithMrCHennisoftheInternationalLaborOrganizationoftheUNMay311974Geneva_4" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="91" link="Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva" link_text="Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva|Room Conversation with Mr. C. Hennis of the International Labor Organization of the U.N. -- May 31, 1974, Geneva]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">C. Hennis: Yes, but there some people are better endowed with brains than others. Some people haven't got brains or not much brains.</p> |
| | <p>Yogeśvara: But at least the direction must have brains. That's the point.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The brain... This is the work of the first-class man, this is the work of the second-class man. Just like any organization, any office, "These are for these men, the class. These are meant for the superintendent. These are meant for..." Everywhere, there must be organization, not that everyone should work whimsically. No. There must be a managing board, managing director. He is giving direction. Under his direction, everyone is organized.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationJune111974Paris_5" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="107" link="Room Conversation -- June 11, 1974, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 11, 1974, Paris"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 11, 1974, Paris|Room Conversation -- June 11, 1974, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yogeśvara: Śakuni.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Śakuni, yes. They're vultures, and their civilization is vulture-eater. The animal-eaters, they're like jackals, vultures, dogs. They're similar to these animals, the animal-eaters. It is not human food. Here is human food. Here is civilized food, human food. Let them learn it. Uncivilized, rudes, vultures, rākṣasas, and they're leaders. Therefore, I say all fourth-class men, they are leaders. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. We require first-class men to lead. We are first-class men. Take our advice, and then everything will be all right. We are creating first-class men. What is the use of fourth-class men leading? All fourth-class men. If I say so frankly, people will be very angry. All fourth-class men. Basically, they're all fourth-class men. Now, these first, second, third-class men are described. So at the present moment, no one belongs to this qualification. Even they are not to the third-class men. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam ([[Vanisource:BG 18.44 (1972)|BG 18.44]]). Who is, who is protecting the cows? That is the third-class man's business. So therefore everyone is fourth-class.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithMonsieurMesmanChiefofLawHouseofParisJune111974Paris_6" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="108" link="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris|Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yogeśvara: You want to translate? (French)</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: So there must be four divisions of the society, the first-class men, the second-class men, the third-class men and the rest, fourth-class. The first-class men should be self-restrained, control over the senses... Hmmm. Read. Yes.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithMonsieurMesmanChiefofLawHouseofParisJune111974Paris_7" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="108" link="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris|Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yogeśvara:</p> |
| | :śamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṁ |
| | :kṣāntir ārjavam eva ca |
| | :jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ |
| | :brahma-karma svabhāva-jam |
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 18.42 (1972)|BG 18.42]]) |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: This is definition of the first-class man.</p> |
| | <p>Yogeśvara: Do you want me to translate?</p> |
| | <p>Pṛthu-putra: (translates)</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: With all these qualifications, one can become first-class man. They should be the directors, or the brain of the society. The next class...</p> |
| | <p>Bhagavān: (correcting translator): "These people should be..." Prabhupāda said: "These people."</p> |
| | <p>Pṛthu-putra: (corrects translation)</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: A class of men, first-class men...</p> |
| | <p>Yogeśvara: He says "We say, 'They should be,' " which indicates that perhaps now we do not have that situation.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No. Practically none. That is the defect of the modern society, that there is no brain. Therefore the whole world is in chaotic condition. In your country also, it is famous for so many revolutions. And whole Europe is..., Russia and other countries, because there is no brain. So there is need of these qualified first-class men, to lead the human society. Then next class... The head is first class, and next class: arms, protector, administrator. Their qualification is stated...</p> |
| | <p>Yogeśvara: Nitāi?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Teja... What is that?</p> |
| | <p>Nitāi: It's uh...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Tejas. No?</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithMonsieurMesmanChiefofLawHouseofParisJune111974Paris_8" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="108" link="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris" link_text="Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris|Room Conversation with Monsieur Mesman, Chief of Law House of Paris -- June 11, 1974, Paris]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: At the present moment, the people in general, they are engaged in service, in factories, in big, big office, big, big establishment. So they're all śūdras, fourth-class men. And the fourth-class men select their representative. So they must be also fourth-class. Democracy means selected, I mean to..., voted, elected. So because they are being elected by the fourth-class men, the leaders are also fourth-class men. The fourth-class men cannot appreciate the first-class men. And there is lacking of second-class men. So the result is that at the present moment, the whole world is being managed by the fourth-class men. Therefore, there are so many anomalies.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithPaterEmmanuelABenedictineMonkJune221974Germany_9" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="128" link="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany" link_text="Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany|Room Conversation with Pater Emmanuel (A Benedictine Monk) -- June 22, 1974, Germany]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Pater Emmanuel: (German) It is in the relation of man. "Don't kill," it says, the Christianity understands...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Why they understand like that? That means that Lord Christ was not sufficiently educated to use the right word, "murder"? Does it mean so? There are two words, killing and murder. Murder is especially meant for the human being. So do you think that Christ was not learned enough to use the word murder instead of "killing"? "Killing" means any kind of killing, especially animal killing. Otherwise you should have frankly openly used the word, "Thou shall not murder." Even if it is meant like that, so does it mean that he was preaching amongst the murderers? They are very first-class men? They are all murderers? Therefore the injunction. This kind of interpretation does not appeal to us.</p> |
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| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithReverendGordonPowellHeadofScotsChurchJune281974Melbourne_10" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="130" link="Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne" link_text="Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: This is first quality man.</p> |
| | <p>Reverend Powell: Well, there's a great similarity, isn't there, to the fruits of the holy spirit in the New Testament, with these qualities you've just...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. When, when one is qualified with all these attributes and he acts accordingly, then he is first-class man.</p> |
| | </div> |
| | </div> |
| | <div id="RoomConversationwithReverendGordonPowellHeadofScotsChurchJune281974Melbourne_11" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="130" link="Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne" link_text="Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne"> |
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Reverend Gordon Powell, Head of Scots Church -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The principles, as they are stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is not limited within Christian or communist or capitalist.</p> |
| | <p>Reverend Powell: No.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No. The principle... Wherever there are these talented persons, he is to be considered as first class man. He does not say that "If it is found among the Hindus or amongst the Christians..." No. Anywhere. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). These guṇa, these modes of material nature, is all-pervasive. So even in India they protest. Because I am making them brāhmaṇa. My disciples, they're offered sacred thread. They're regularly made into brāhmaṇa.</p> |
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