Madhudviṣa: They are fishing all over the world, trying to get some oil, trying to get some steel, how to get some grain.
Cāru: They only work two days in a week now in England.
Madhudviṣa: That's finished now. During the petrol shortage they had to cut themselves down to two days a week.
Prabhupāda: Now they have got Australia. Australia is English possession?
Madhudviṣa: No.
Prabhupāda: No more.
Cāru: Not any more.
Prabhupāda: But I know, all educated and advanced educated Englishmen, they were coming to Australia for good job. Therefore most of the technical posts, they are occupied by Indians in London. As soon as one is highly qualified medical man, he comes to Australia. So who will take care of them? So therefore they imported some brain from India. Anyway, our time should be saved for self-realization. That is perfect civilization. And not for creating unnecessary necessity of life. That will increase problem. (pause) So scientists, they disagreed or agreed with us?
Madhudviṣa: They did not want to get in . . . they did not want to . . .
Prabhupāda: But they could not answer, "Who is the manufacturer of the brain of the scientist?" That they could not.
Madhudviṣa: You have said in one of your tapes, "They want to start half way." Like they say: "All of a sudden there is an aeroplane appeared in the sky." They do not trace out where that aeroplane is coming from. So similarly, they are interested in the problems of today, but they do not want to delve into the essential problem. They are talking about building nice houses, using this, that. They do not want to delve into . . .
Prabhupāda: This is practical. The scientists have got good brain, but who manufactured the brain? You cannot do it. You have not manufactured your brain. If you say: "By nature," then nature is more powerful than you. But nature is dead. It cannot create life. That is in the hand of Kṛṣṇa. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ (BG 15.7). As soon as the question of jīva, living entity, there, this, mine, you can say it is nature. And other things? Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarva . . . (BG 3.27). Prakṛti, nature, is doing. Everything explained.
In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said, sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā (Bs. 5.44): "There is an energy which can create, maintain and destroy the whole cosmic manifestation." Sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā, one. There is one energy. Chāyeva yasya vibharti bhuvanāni durgā: "That energy is working just like shadow under the direction of Kṛṣṇa." That is big energy, but that energy . . . just like atomic energy, big energy, but it is done by a scientist, not that the ingredients automatically mix together and become an atomic . . . no. That is not possible. Big, big brain, scientist, they are dealing. Similarly, this big energy—creation, maintenance and destruction of nature—that nature is called Durgā. Durgā. Duḥ. Duḥ means difficult, and gā means going, or to understand. To understand the laws of material nature is very difficult. That is called Durgā.