Madhudviṣa: We may enjoy while we are here now. If we think about the future, then that means we are taking our mind off the present.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. Then close all these universities, school, colleges. Close.
Madhudviṣa: Well, that's also for enjoyment at present time because we can get together and have social life.
Prabhupāda: No, it is for future, not for present. The child does not want to go to school, but the father forces him to go for future.
Jayādvaita: That's tangible, though.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Jayādvaita: That's tangible. You can see. If somebody gets a university education, he gets a job, this, that, but in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you can't see how he's going back to Godhead.
Prabhupāda: And besides that, why you are keeping money in the bank, do good bank balance?
Madhudviṣa: Because it's giving interest.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That means for future.
Madhudviṣa: No, I can enjoy the interest in the present.
Prabhupāda: No, you don't enjoy... That the future you may not be in difficulty; therefore... Why insurance? Why the insurance company?
Trivikrama: Also, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you can see the result immediately. You become more happy.
Prabhupāda: No, they say there is no future. Then why you are paying insurance fees? There are so many insurance company. Everyone is thinking of future, consciously or unconsciously.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: After I die, my children will carry on for me.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: After I die my children...
Prabhupāda: That is also future. "Your children" means future. You enjoy. Why do you care for your children? You enjoy.
Madhudviṣa: Well, it's granted that we are all thinking about the future, but isn't it possible for us to take the best of what the material world has to offer and also make the best of what the spiritual world has to offer, simultaneously?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Madhudviṣa: What is the necessity of renouncing everything? You can't be...
Prabhupāda: Not renouncing, not renouncing. Just like our (?) think of future, that is also for present benefit. Future, future... The best intelligence is that just like one is afraid of suffering in old age, future. So there is. That is not ignorance. That is future life. So karmīs are thinking future life should be very comfortable. They want to go to the heavenly planets. They therefore act very piously, perform yajñas. That is all future. So real problem is that we are going to get another body in future. So what kind of body we shall get? That is intelligence. Body you have to get. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). So one should be very intelligent—"What kind of body I am going to get?"
Brahmānanda: Why can't we have sense gratification and God also at the same time?
Prabhupāda: That is Bhagavad-gītā, that aviruddho-kāmo 'smi. "Sense gratification which is not against religious principles, that sense gratification I am," Kṛṣṇa says. We do not stop sense gratification, but we want to regulate sense gratification like a gentleman, not like hogs and dogs. That is human civilization.