Prabhupāda: That is sufficient. First of all, you understand few lines of Bhagavad-gītā; then jump over other. About this only, one line, tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13), if you simply understand this one line, your life will be successful.
Indian man (3): Kindly explain this line.
Prabhupāda: This line, it is clear, that you have to change this body. Have you got any objection to take it?
Indian man (4): No.
Prabhupāda: Then why you are not serious, "What kind of body I am going to get?" Here is a body, tree. If you are going to accept a body like this, just how miserable it will be. Why you are not afraid? Just like if you want to go from here, Chandigarh, to Delhi, you have to arrange so many things. So what we are doing, that we have to change this body? And there are 8,400,000 different types of bodies. Which body I am going to get? Why you are not serious? We are spoiling our life.
Indian man (4):. That eight million, is that fixed thing, that . . .? So many life, so many animals species and genera have become extinct.
Prabhupāda: 8,400,000 species.
- jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi
- sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati
- kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyayaḥ
- pakṣīṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam
- (Padma Purāṇa)
Everything is there.
Indian man (4): Those that have become extinct, dinosaurs and those . . .
Prabhupāda: That is rascals' theory. Nothing extinct.
Indian man (4): This is not correct.
Prabhupāda: No. Just like he says that man comes from monkey. Monkey is extinct? Where is the question of extinction? There is no question of extinction. There are different species of life, and according to your karma . . . just like there are first-class, second-class, third-class compartments. If you pay for the first class, you enter into first class. You cannot say that third class is extinct. According to your karma . . . karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa jantur dehopapattaye (SB 3.31.1). According to . . . as you pay. If you pay for third class, you enter into third-class compartment. If you pay for first class, you enter into first class. So it is according to your karma you'll get a body. Why it should be extinct?
Indian man (4): Because it is extinct. We find there are those . . . fossilized . . .
Prabhupāda: You do not find. This is only . . . you simply repeat Darwin, that's all. You do not find. You do not see anything. You simply hear from Darwin. You have taken Darwin as your authority. But you don't take authority Vedas. That is your fault.
Indian man (4): Darwin had drawn that theory from observations . . .
Prabhupāda: Wherefrom he has drawn? He has speculated only, like a rascal. That's all. Wherefrom he got this thing? He has said that, "It is my speculation." Speculation is no knowledge. You can speculate in your own way. Knowledge gathered from the authority, that is real knowledge. (greets someone) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) We have published even in Chinese language, European.